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  2. I still hope Henrique, Manson and Grant will be traded for picks or so... I see at least two 1st and one 3th rounder with this three… with some other picks or prospects too... there are some rumors with Manson...
  3. And trading NO roster players for picks and prospects before the TDL also doesn’t facilitate a good rebuild. Seeing all the moves that have been made by sellers already, including 2 by the Kings, I’m getting impatient. I believe the Ducks have only 5 picks in the 2020 draft.
  4. Kapanen Ceci Prospect 2nd-3rd for Manson who says no? i know Ceci is totally awful, but you give Toronto some cap relief for a pick/prospect?
  5. I expect the most valuable chips, as far as other teams are concerned, are: Grantzlaf - He's the kind of player that shines in the playoffs, playing on the 3rd or 4th line. He's valuable to the Ducks too though, it's a high ask, but I wouldn't move him for less than a high 2nd round pick. So he's probably not moving. Henrique - For any team making the playoffs trying to stack their roster, he's probably worth a good prospect that won't play in the nhl until next season, and won't be a star for a couple. If Martinez is worth two 2nd round picks, Henrique is worth a 1st and a second at a minimum for teams without the right prospect. 10% chance this happens... again, because it would take another team wanting him more than the Ducks. Cap space... this is the one I hope happens. Because it means getting a good prospect and/or pick(s) with the bad contract. I'd guess 20% chance of happening on Sunday or Monday. There will be interest in Manson and Fowler, but not for what it would take to get them. DelZotto and Holzer will get interest, but not much of a return... 5% chance we get an offer that's worth taking. So, I expect a dull deadline. Oh well.
  6. The thing is, he’s looked totally good when he’s in the line up? I’m baffled by the fact he’s not playing. We were much better when he was in the line up, more dangerous in the offensive zone, And he looked fine in the D zone
  7. We traded Vats because we had Derek Grant playing 1st line Center for an extended period of time. Bad injuries forced BM’s hand
  8. in my dreams we would trade Henrique, Grant, Manson and maybe some like Del Zotto, Miller or Rowney... with Henrique and Manson we would have at least 2 more first rounder (and other prospects or picks), Grant can give us a 2-3 rounder, the rest a mid to late rounder. at the deadline the playoff teams are desperately and overpays the players they wants... look at the trades they made till now.... first rounder here, second rounders there...
  9. I honestly think the ED has hurt us more than we think. In order to keep our defense we let go of a decent prospect (at the time) and he's done well in Vegas. But then BM turns around and trades Vats a little while later. I think that was poor management. We had to spend extra to keep both Manson and Vats. Sure, we would have had to send them someone but it could have been less than what we gave up. Petterson is gone. Now Larsson hasn't panned out too well, so far. Our defense also took a big hit after Yawney (?) left. So it's been a downward spiral and few pieces to show for it. We currently have Holzer as a regular in the lineup. Something that wasn't even considered much during the Bieksa years....
  10. Because the discussion was about Grant and as a center those are the guys that he’d be competing with for a spot, not Ritchie or Kase. I’ve said that I expect Ritchie to be moved and that Kase very well could be also. I guess we’ll just have to disagree on the importance of the 4th line at this juncture.
  11. yeah, i've forgotten why we lost Pettersson. i remember why we shipped Vats, Theo, and Monty (choice of daggers). we spent that depth, just not sure what we got in return. Hank has been fairly good, but not really as impactful as Vats was off and on. It was either Theo or Manson, and choosing Manson made sense at the time. Monty apparently was traded due to an attitude problem, one that's followed him. Failure on both sides, I think.
  12. The bolded is the same question that I feel you can ask about the Ducks moving forward. Henrique just turned 30 and Silf will be 30 in October. Getzlaf is 34. Manson will be 30 next year. Will the Ducks get enough talent in the system and will the rookies progress enough to where the Ducks can contend before those guys decline? I am taking the odds that those guys aren’t going to be playing at the levels we’ll need by the time we could have a good enough younger crop of players. Getzlaf has started slowing down, but because he is HOF, elite level player, he’s still very effective. I just think the timing window for everything to come together is just too short. I’m not sure what LA should be doing differently as far as their rebuild goes. They are not contending anytime soon and are moving on from older players with expiring or soon to be expired contracts that aren’t going to help the team going forward. I also assume that they are going to use their huge excess picks/prospects to bring in players to speed up the rebuild and give Doughty, Kopitar, Brown etc a couple more shots at another Cup. The Kings trading away picks for Gaborik and Regehr worked out because they won Cup. Lombardi missed badly with Lucic and Sekera which I’m sure was a reason why he was eventually fired.
  13. agree, wholeheartedly. it's way, WAY too speculative to say the Kings are ahead of the Ducks in the rebuild, at this time. I wonder who they'll be making available in the ED.
  14. Fisix


    I don't know why you've limited me to Hank, L, and SS. How about Kase and NR? Kase is fragile and skates in a way that makes him more so. NR, as ever, takes too many penalties. I don't think Sherwood can make it on a 4th line - he's just not big enough. I think the foundation we need right now is a 4th line that's kept together for a few seasons. If you want to mess with stuff, mess with the top three lines. They're the ones that are underperforming.
  15. Totally think it is time for a new GM to take the team at its current state and mold into a new direction whatever that may be
  16. Fisix


    So, for Dehydrated Donkey Dungs and giggles, i chose one name in your list, Ryan Reaves, checked on capfriendly, and saw he's getting paid $2.775M. That's not a 1-1 replacement for anyone on our 4th line, and I think you're in a bit of a fantasy land thinking so. I'm guessing your extensive list has similar players listed throughout who are also not 4th liners or paid 4th line $. Our 4th line does it's job, which is be good enough that the other team doesn't want to always throw their 4th line at them in return (which should give us a game advantage). FrenchyD is part of that line, they have good chemistry, and we should keep them together. Why are you spending so much effort trying to upgrade something that's already good? Focus on the top three lines, not the line that's doing it's job well. Doing otherwise makes you MORE like what you complain about with respect to BM.
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  18. Yes. I don't think the kings are a good comparable for this reason. Detroit was a better comparable up until a few years ago. Since probably the year 2000 (too lazy to look it up) we've only missed the playoffs a few times. I remember reading an article a few years back that had Detroit and us near the top in number of playoffs since some year(not sure which one). So to compare us to the kings really isn't fair. Their prospect pool will be better because they've been garbage (lol Edmonton) and ours was always going to be worse because we've been the better team in overall standings.
  19. I just really disagree that they are ahead of the Ducks in the rebuilding process, unless you think that there are still major sell-offs coming for the Ducks 2-3 years down the road and that the Ducks will still be a bottom-5 team by then. I don't. The Kings are razing that team to the ground, and shortly they'll have only Kopitar (now age 32), Brown (35), Carter (35), Doughty (30), and Quick (34) left from their good years. And sure, they have a lot of good looking prospects right now (some who will work out, some who won't), but will any of their existing core players still be any good by the time their current crop of prospects are ready to make a legitimate impact at the NHL level? I'd say definitely no for Carter and Brown and probably Quick. Doughty will probably still be good, but not the Doughty of 2012-2016. Kopi may also still have some left in the tank too, but how much? So the Kings are basically hoping to repeat what Chicago and Pittsburgh did in the early 2000s, although so far without the benefit of any pick higher than the #5. Good luck to them. It's also significant that Wheeler sure doesn't think much of their goaltending prospects. That's big-time trouble considering Quick's age and recent level of play. You can't win in the NHL without goaltending. Meanwhile, the Ducks have a 26-year-old elite netminder who is a top-5 goalie in the NHL, a handful of very good players in their mid-20s (Lindholm, Rakell, Fowler) who will still be good for a long time, and a whole bunch of mid-tier forward prospects that still look pretty promising. With Zegras in the pipeline and our likely top-5 pick coming this draft, I think the Ducks are currently in better shape than the Kings. That may change over the next 2-3 years since it looks like the Kings will be on the bottom for a very long time, but the Kings are also actually starting really far behind because they traded away so many picks for the likes of Gaborik, Lucic, Sekera, Regehr, etc. Missing those picks means they have basically nothing other than Iafallo in that 24-28 year old range that will be key to making the rebuild a shorter process.
  20. You don't expect the ability to do some it without a complete tank, but your example was that of a team that completely tanked afterward. Two thoughts on Chicago: 1. It is easier to attract 4th liners for cheaper when there are top liners indicating an impending Cup. 2. I don't think Chicago's 4th liners made the team, I think the team made them better 4th liners. Skillwise, I think they are similar. Deslauriers scores 10 or 7 goals on that team just like their best 4th liners did. Heck, he'll probably have 6 for us, just one behind two of the three from the 09-10 Hawks roster. And I think he's a better PK than Kopecky and Eager. Maybe not Fraser. And Nic has at least one 10-goal season, of which Colin Fraser never had. His PEAK season was the Cup season at 7.
  21. The Kings were garbage for 85% of their existence prior to their Cup run. Ducks are basically in their second weak stretch, their first being their actual start-up. Other than that, we had a couple stray singular years missing where we bounced right back.
  22. Agree that the Kings have been bad a slightly longer recently than the Ducks but not to point where they should be so far ahead in the rebuild process. Plus, they were coming off of Cup wins and lost several members of those teams which is what usually happens. Yeah, but the Kings didn’t give up any assets to get Kovalchuck other that cap space. They weren’t spending picks/prospects. If he panned out, then they could possibly make another run, if he didn’t then they already had a pretty good prospect pool at that point and could just continue adding to it. The Ducks didn’t. It was a pretty low-risk move other than money, which they have since shipped out more than enough of to cover his cap hit while adding assets for their rebuild. They also won two cups, lost several members of those teams and yet still managed to draft insanely well while making the playoffs mostly during that time. we should have begun tearing it down after the WCF run, which is why I didn’t like trading Vatanen for Henrique and wanted to start the rebuild then by getting future assets for him. Even after getting smoked by San Jose, Murray still didn’t think drastic changes were needed as evidenced by his lack of roster moves and keeping Carlyle. I absolutely agree with you about our defensive pipeline being gutted and nothing to really show for it. Hopefully, Guhle becomes functional and Tracey is better than expected. Outside of re-hiring Carlyle, this is probably Murray’s biggest screw up and now the Ducks are struggling at both ends of the ice that will take more time to fix.
  23. I don't consider adding kovy as committing to a rebuild sooner. They thought they could give it another go when it was pretty obvious they should have torn the team apart sooner. They had one of the oldest teams in the league the past half decade and didn't commit to a rebuild. We're only behind them because we were the better team for far longer. Besides if Kesler didn't go down we're arguably still trying for the cup. We were also one of the most injured teams the past few seasons and still managed to get to the playoffs with elite #1 center general Grant when we had no business being there. We could have torn it down at that point but like the kings thought we could give it a go. This made our prospect pool worse then theirs but we also had a good pool of players none the less. What I think should be the bigger question is what happened to our promising defense and defensive organizational depth? We have no real forward depth and no defensive depth. It's like it just disappeared. This is where BM is at fault. We couldn't just lose it and have nothing to show for it.
  24. I’d be fine moving Henrique and his contract in the near future. Hopefully, via trade but also the expansion draft. Doing that and replacing him with Wenneberg, who can be a stop gap for Getzlaf if he’s injured and as he ages, while also sheltering Zegras would be a pretty savvy move. I don’t think it avoids a rebuild but the Ducks are going to need competent decent players, especially as the current group of vets ages or gets traded away. If the Ducks re-sign Grant after trading him then I’d be more ok with that. It’s not getting an asset for him that I would really upset about, which given Murray’s asset management skills, I’m bracing myself to happen. I agree about Sherwood and want to see him more at the NHL level over Rowney and Deslauriers. I like his pace and his shot but you’re likely right that he will want to go to a new team that will give him more of an opportunity.
  25. Ritchie was the pick we acquired in the Bobby Ryan trade. A top-10 pick there isn't indicative of being good or bad. Lindholm at #6 in 2012 is the last high draft pick the team "earned" through their play. Your point is still valid though. The highest pick the Kings "earned" in the past 10 years was the #13 overall in 2015, which they traded for Milan Lucic. Edit: Check that. They finished with the 10th worst record and got Vilardi at #11 in 2017 (after Philly won the lottery and bumped them out of the top-10). So yeah, the 2018 playoffs notwithstanding, they've been bad for a little longer than the Ducks have. The Ducks were in the conference finals in 2017.
  26. I'm not quite ready yet either, but he sure is looking like the second coming of Brandon Pirri. So much natural talent, yet so little drive to become a consistently good NHL player.
  27. dtsdlaw


    If I'm GM, I trade Grant now and then try to re-sign Grant to a 2-year contract during the summer. He'd be the 2nd forward the Ducks can use to meet the ED exposure requirement in June 2021 (along with Deslauriers), and I think he'd be a nice veteran anchor on that 4th line if the team wants to alternate Deslauriers with one of the kids as a 4th line LW for next season. We've also had a healthy Getzlaf this season, but he's missed a significant number of games over the past 3 seasons and he is likely to miss more as he continues to age. IMO, you can never have too many centers in the NHL, and Grant has proven he can fill-in pretty much anywhere in the lineup on this team. Versatility is huge. I also don't think re-signing him creates a logjam because (a) I don't think Lundestrom and Zegras are as close to NHL ready as you do, and (b) even if they are, I would be fine with moving Rico to LW, trading Ritchie, and letting Comtois and Jones duke it out for playing time on lines 3 & 4 until either or both show they can score like a top-6 LW. I'm also not sold on Steel and Lundestrom as long-term solutions here and would be fine with trading either one if it means improving the roster.In fact, I'd almost rather package Lundestrom with a draft pick and/or Ritchie this summer to get a more established young center with a higher upside (such as Wennberg). With Sherwood, he turns 25 in March and he is going to end up being a group 6 UFA this summer (3 pro seasons with less than 80 NHL games). Since the Ducks have not really given him a chance to play at the NHL level, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he walks away and tries with a new team (same as what Welinski and Megna did last summer). He hasn't gotten a real chance thus far, so it sure seems like the team is ready to move on from him. Too bad. I liked his energy and I think he should have been put in Rowney's spot this season to see what he could do.
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