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  1. 9 points
    The team is playing better because Carlyle sucked the life out of hockey, and once the guys on the roster had that weight off their shoulders, you or I could have gone back there to coach and they would have played better. That doesn't mean you or I should be the next full-time head coach of the Ducks. With as energized as the team has been under Murray, they're still 9-9. And even in games like last night where they won, they were outplayed for long stretches against a mediocre opponent. That's happened a lot less, but it's not like this team has gone on an epic run, dominating every team they've faced. The Ducks need a real hockey coach next season. Bob Murray is not it.
  2. 7 points
    Eww I can think of 31 teams that deserve a title more than those fools and yes, the 31st team is the one in Seattle that doesn't even exist yet. I'd rather see the Cup get thrown into a black hole before any of those mustard clowns get to touch it.
  3. 7 points
    The Ducks nominated Eaves as their candidate for the Masterton trophy today. I don't have a problem with that considering everything he's been through in his career but I think Kesler easily deserves the award outright. Regardless of how you feel about how he performed, grinding through 60 games and playing those insane Carlyle matchup minutes in his awful condition was an incredible feat for Kesler. If setting a goal of 1000 games and doing everything in his power to reach it in spite of his increasingly broken body doesn't embody "perseverance, sportsmanship & dedication to hockey", nothing else will.
  4. 7 points
    Even the message boards wanted to tank
  5. 7 points
    I would stop watching the NHL if this happened. I don't want players making a business decision as to whether they will step in front of a shot to block it or chase a puck into a corner because it might cost them money if they get injured. If you're going to financially penalize players for trying hard, you might as well go back to the flat-bladed stick and make them play by collegiate rules to keep them all safer on the ice. That would result in a much worse on-ice product. IMO, players should be able to play their games to the best of their ability without worrying that their income will be affected by an on-ice injury. And speaking of on-ice injuries, your bus driver's "sick day" analogy doesn't work here. Hockey injuries are typically work-related injuries (unless you're Patrick Eaves or Dustin Penner) and would be eligible for worker's compensation claims in the real world (if sports were actually the same as the real world, which they're not). In most US states I think worker's comp pays something like 2/3 of the salary for workers injured on the job who are unable to keep working. And you know how injured workers get the rest of their lost salary? They sue. Do we really want players suing the NHL, teams, coaches, and each other every time they miss games due to injury? That would also be terrible for the game (and also for us fans, because litigation ultimately just makes everything more expensive for the end-users/consumers). Finally, there's also that specter of concussions. What you're suggesting here will cause players with significant head injuries to return to the ice before they are ready due to fear of losing thousands or even millions of dollars in lost wages because of missed games. These players are human beings, not gladiators, and we should be thankful the NHLPA exists to make sure they are treated as human beings and allowed to heal their significant injuries according to their own body's timeline. So IMO, guaranteed contracts exist for both the good of the game AND the good of the player. The onus should instead be on the GMs to make sure that a team is built properly within the salary cap rules. That is their job. And if they can't do their job well, ownership should find some else to do their job.
  6. 7 points
    I'd rather have Kesler in a wheelchair on the ice scoring nothing but hotdogs at intermission than a piece of poop like Dustin "there goes your knees" Brown.
  7. 6 points
    Calgary 😂😂😂😂
  8. 6 points
    called it! March 15th!
  9. 6 points
    ANYONE, and I mean A.N.Y.O.N.E. but the preds. Colorado, Boston, even L.A. But not the Preds. Preds are the worst of the worst of the worst OF the WORST.
  10. 6 points
    Not having the Rangers and Blackhawks in the playoffs is indeed a big loss for the league in terms of TV ratings. Hate to disagree with you but generational players in this year's draft will go a long way towards ensuring at least one of the two gets back in the dance sooner rather than later.
  11. 6 points
    The recent results of the sabres and rangers are really horrible. I can see us caching them. The Oilers, blackhawks and avs are out of reach I think. The nucks have a few games in hand. I gotta say I enjoy to see the team winning. At the end of the day you can play to finish last and end up picking 5th or something. Just play the game and get some confidence back. We'll see what happens april 9. I have confidence in BM's drafting.
  12. 6 points
    There isn't a lot that annoys me more in current discourse than to label anyone who cares about what someone said as a "snowflake." If we want to have a meaningful discussion about whether certain language is harmful and why it's harmful, we can do that, but by going immediately to "snowflake," all discussion is shut off.
  13. 6 points
    And the Ducks balls are labeled "404 Error - Page not found".
  14. 5 points
    Freddie is still the ballsiest goalie in the league. One minute left in a one goal playoff game and this guy is making diving poke checks and trying to shoot on empty nets. I love him haha
  15. 5 points
    This exactly. Firing Carlyle was mandatory for the long-term health of this franchise, and the downside of keeping him far outweighed the possibility to getting an 18.5% chance at getting the top pick. The Rangers have been executing a Chicago/Pittsburgh strategy for the past three seasons by holding yard sales at the TDLs to get rid of good players in exchange for draft picks. As a result, they've had two 1st rounders in 2017, three 1st rounders in 2018, and will have two more 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders in 2019. However, this is something that NOBODY here, even the most ardent tankers, seems willing to do. That said, I disagree in the case of the Sabres. The Sabres have been in go-for-it mode since last summer when they traded for Skinner, and they were still in go-for-it mode when they traded a 2019 1st rounder and a good D prospect to the Ducks in exchange for Monty at this year's deadline. Buffalo's issues are that they have created a losing culture throughout their entire organization through past tanking efforts and their refusal to fire a coach that the team has completely tuned out. Buffalo played fine hockey for 4-5 months when the good teams had the volume dialed in at a 7 or 8. But once the playoffs came into view and the good teams turned the volume up to 11, they just couldn't hang and their losing attitudes took over. The players are still trying to win (newsflash: the players don't care where the team picks), but they just have no idea what it takes to win anymore. The Sabres predicament is exactly what GMBM needed to avoid here. RC HAD to be fired when he was (sooner?) and the team (especially the young players) HAD to see that it could play good hockey against other playoff-bound teams who had the volume turned up to 11. They accomplished both. The Ducks have beaten Washington, Minnesota, Colorado (twice), Arizona, Montreal, Nashville, and San Jose (and should have beaten St Louis) during the home stretch, and the kids have played a major role in many of those wins. I'm thrilled with those results, even if we lost a few percentage points in the lottery odds doing so. I'm as hard on GMBM as anyone here, but IMO what he has done in February and March is great for the long-term health of this franchise.
  16. 5 points
    Shut it down, Kes. I give him credit for gutting through the injury and getting to 1,000, but at some point he's a detriment to himself and the team. I don't think rest will really be much of a factor ... at some point you're just a 35-year old with bad hips that can't skate. Father Time is undefeated for a reason.
  17. 5 points
    I agreed whole-heartedly with what you wrote above, which is why I can't understand why you bother bringing up the bolded part below. The Ducks were also without Getzlaf for 5/10 of Comtois' NHL games, and the whole team had lousy possession stats for pretty much the entirety of Carlyle's tenure in 2018-19. So I don't see how his possession stats from October mean much of anything, or his confusion about playing in a newly-implemented, extremely convoluted Carlyle system that was clearly broken from the get-go. You can't say the Carlyle effect exists and then turn around and ding a 19-year-old rookie because he suffered from it.
  18. 5 points
    There is no reason to trade Ritchie. He's turned into a good third line winger, and has the potential for more. If Murray trades Ritchie, it will be like Palmieri redux. Trading a guy who's cheap just as he's about to become really useful.
  19. 5 points
    Two Getzlaf led teams have quit on Carlyle. That’s not a great display of leadership IMO.
  20. 5 points
    Wow!! The Ducks are so incredibly fortunate tonight. You’ve got to lose this game being on the 2nd night of a B2B against a playoff team down 3-1 if you’re going to have a successful tank. The Canucks also beat the Leafs after being down 2-0, so this was a very good tank night. It’s really good all-around. The kids look really good and are getting confidence from their play. Don’t need the two points to get a positive effect for next season there. Terry especially looks like he could be a 50-60 point player next year.
  21. 5 points
    Pettersson now with the same number of points as Fowler (in 3 fewer games) and now regularly seeing 18-20 mins of TOI/game. Sprong benched for the final 30 mins in a meaningless game after multiple healthy scratches. This organization needs someone to intervene when Bob moves on a panic trade. Pettersson should still be here.
  22. 5 points
    45-50 points is not very good production from the 2C spot, unless that 2C is also a perennial Selke finalist. This team would be stronger if Rico was a 3C or a LW and we had a better 2C in his current spot.
  23. 5 points
    I'm happy Silf is signed. The limited no trade list still gives the Ducks lots of flexibility. The Ducks can still trade him for assets if they want to. But I hope he is here for the long haul. His contract lines up in length with Henrique, which makes sense if you are planning on using those two as transitional players as the Ducks move on from Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler. They provide consistent play and stability while the Ducks bring all of their prospects into the fold.
  24. 4 points
    Door #1 here. I think that the NHL playoffs expose organizational weaknesses, from front office to coach to assistant coaches in change of special teams to players.. all the way down to the friggen training staff. The organization that can get it all right (or as many things right as possible) is the one left holding the trophy in the end. And I am more than good with that. Look at the Lightning-Jackets series. Tampa Bay made ZERO moves to improve their roster at the deadline. They basically said, "we're good enough right now, in February, that we don't need to address any holes in our team to win the Cup." And they played like it after the 1st period of game 1, basically acting like the could just thrown their jerseys on the ice and still win each night. That's arrogance IMO, and it cost them against a team that made the biggest, boldest TDL moves in the league and then played their hearts out. So, organizational weakness in Tampa (arrogance and complacency) bounced them in the first round, not luck. Even if it's just adding a Brad May, you can't think you're good enough in February to do nothing to try to improve your team for the playoffs. Same goes for Calgary. Organizational weakness = softness of their "elite players" when the real hockey starts in April. Nashville? Their "elite" players are divers and whiners and can't get it done when the chips are down because they're too worried about the calls. And on and on. Once in a blue moon, a goaltender will steal a series against a superior team, but rarely (ever?) will a goaltender steal a Cup. Those situations aside, you can always look back in hindsight and point to the reason(s) a team gets bounced in the playoffs, and it's never just luck or bad calls (or whatever fans complain about is beyond the team's control). We may not always be able to see it before a series starts, but it's always crystal clear after. The best-of-7 format make sure of that.
  25. 4 points
    St. Louis moving on to the second round from last place just highlights how important changing the scenery of coaching can be. Their new coach is no Messiah, but the change of voice allowed what is a decently talented roster to play to their potential. The Blues are the alternate universe Ducks if GMIHCBM had pulled the trigger when he should have.
  26. 4 points
    I like what I've read about Zegras. But who are we kidding, he's neither Swedish nor a defenseman. So I'm just going to assume that GMBM is all-in on Victor Soderstrom until he shows me otherwise. Especially after I just read this assessment of Soderstrom: So he's the essentially the Swedish Cam Fowler.... GMBM is probably already in love.
  27. 4 points
    I promised myself I wouldn't watch a second of that trash series in Dallas before it started but I saw the score towards the end and figured it was a good time to tune in and see some mustard tears. I watched maybe 2 minutes and the first thing I see is Captain Joke-e slash a Star and place a weak fly-by crosscheck into his lower back before skating away from the scrum he started and towards the refs like he did nothing. Meanwhile his stupid little garden gnome of a defence partner came in to grab the Dallas player's stick so he could toss it to the ice like he's some tough guy. I didn't see who the Dallas player was but he was just shaking his head and laughing in their faces. I have no idea how nobody has even tried putting those two morons in check yet. They're such an embarrassment they can make Doughty look like a saint on ice by comparison. I regret everything.
  28. 4 points
    Yeah, the Duchene empty netter was a bit...unnecessary...but wow, what a feat! And I'm gonna be an ass 'cause I hardly ever make any predictions right...but totally called it!
  29. 4 points
    Nick Ritchie doesn't move the needle enough to get the Ducks higher in the draft. It would have to be a more significant player, a prospect with a higher ceiling, BOTH of our 1st rounders, or maybe even a 1st in the 2020 draft.
  30. 4 points
    I can't argue with that. But that doesn't prove anything. I still don't think it's rigged. People are dumb. If it was actually rigged it would be leaked by now and there would be some major mistakes made by the people rigging it. The NHL doesn't exactly have super-spy-movie security... Why do you think the NHL cares so much about NJ to give them 2 number 1s in 3 years? 'Cause they care so much about Taylor Hall getting more No. 1 picks??? It's so incredibly obviously not rigged it's ridiculous. There isn't one person in the NHL who wanted the Oilers to have so many #1 picks besides the Oilers. It's actually BAD for hockey. Since Bettman has taken over he's cared about 1 thing above anything else and that is EXPANDING the NHL. And his ACTUAL ACTIONS show him doing this. He has been so incredibly consistent with that. As opposed to hidden actions that people like to make up he is doing. Which are so incredibly inconsistent that his "agenda" changes month by month and also changes depending on which fan base you talk to... But you're right, they clearly had it out for Buffalo...except the whole getting a No. 1 pick right after getting a No. 2 pick...
  31. 4 points
    Losing wouldn't guarantee a better pick. See L.A. Kings.
  32. 4 points
    This thing was obviously rigged and that’s pretty lame. Seeing the Kings fans in meltdown mode on Twitter is pretty great though.
  33. 4 points
    What is good luck and where can we buy some?? Can't believe I might actually end up cheering for Dallas in the first round if they go up against Calgary. I didn't watch all of Friday's game and it was a blocked shot so I doubt it was anything aside from a freak incident but Giordano already has enough blood on his hands. Shame the Ducks Are Not Playoff Bound™ cause the Flames are waste incapable of winning in Anaheim and I'll never get tired of seeing them get eliminated.
  34. 4 points
    I'm still not understanding the idea that we need to finish strong. The next game the Ducks will play that counts won't be for 6 Full Months. There's zero chance of any carryover effect, not to mention there will be a brand new coach, and several new players, so how well they're playing this coming week is completely meaningless in the big picture. The only thing that makes sense is that each player wants to play well, and not sacrifice their future prospects by showing signs of quitting or playing poorly. That is a constant. But in 180 days, there is nobody, not even those on this board, who are going to remember how the Ducks finished the final week of this disaster of a season. Finishing in the bottom 5 is no guarantee of any success in choosing their pick wisely, but it certainly is a big advantage having more players to choose from.
  35. 4 points
    Woof. Talk about rooting for a meteor. Actually, I take that back. I would never wish such a fate on a meteor.
  36. 4 points
    I don't know about you, but I'm fired up about next season! Our team has been on a roll, and against some top quality teams! We just beat the Canadians, a playoff team, 8-2 last night. We almost beat the Blues, a playoff team, on Wednesday. If it wasn't for the Blue improbable comeback win, we could have easily won that game. We beat the Coyotes the night before. Coyotes are the next team up for the last playoff spot in the Western Conference. We beat the Avalanche the game before that. Avalanche are close to a playoff spot also. The point is that I think we have finally found a winning formula, and one we can take into next year. And something cool to go along with it? We still have the 5th worst record in the league, meaning we can still hopefully get a high draft pick if we stay around where we are in the standings. Definitely excited about this team next year. So, why are we winning? I have some theories. 1) We are more well-rested. I thought Coach Randy Carlyle was a decent coach. However, one of the big problems I think we had under his watch was players not getting enough rest. A lot of teams make morning skates optional on game day, for instance. They weren't optional under coach Carlyle. They are now. The Ducks just seem more well rested, which translates to them being more fresh for game day. No wonder why other teams always seemed more energized when the Ducks played them when Coach RC was coach. The other teams were more well rested. Had more recovery time. Maybe the Ducks would have played better under Coach Carlyle if he didn't skate them so much. 2) Our defense plays zone now, instead of man coverage. And I think this is easier for the defense. 3) Manson has been reunited with Lindholm as a pairing. 4) Fowler has played well with Larsson, most recently, and with Guhle before that. 5) The pairing of 6'6" Megna and 6'3" Holzer gives us nice size for our third defensive pairing. 6) Gibson and Miller are both finally healthy in net. 7) We have infused some youth into our forward lineups. And the lines have really been clicking! First line: 6'3" Jones is 21 years old. Sprong is also only 21 years old, and super skilled. Has mad potential as a first line next year, if they can keep the chemistry going. Second line: Ritchie is only 23 years old, and Silfverberg is also still in his 20's, at 28. Plus, their center, Shore, is only 24 years old. (Nice move, btw, switching him from wing to center. Gives us three great centers now, like we had with Kesler in the lineup--not to mention a fourth great potentially really good center in Grant or Rowney.) Third line: All three players are in their twenties. Rakell is 25 years old. Henrique recently turned 29 years old. And Terry is only 21 years old. Fourth line: Perry gets to play with two players in their twenties: Carter Rowney, at 29, and Derek Grant, at 28 years old. So, if we stick with the lineup we has night, the only forwards not in their twenties would be Getzlaf and Perry. This is not to say that being in ones thirties is old. But definitely nice being one of the youngest teams now in the NHL, with a lot of potential for future success. 8) This does not even mention that our very talented defense, with the exception of Holzer (Who may or may not be here next season) is all in their twenties as well. Cam Fowler: 27. Larsson and Guhle are both 21. Lindholm is 25. Manson is 27. Megna is 26. And even Welinski is only 25. So, in last nights game, only one defenseman was not in his twenties, and only 2 of our forwards were not in their twenties. Just like that, we are now one of the most talented young teams in the NHL. 9) We have more skill and speed now throughout our lineup. Our first line, with Jones and Sprong, add some much needed skill and speed to the Getzlaf line. And our second line is oozing with talent and speed also, with Shore, Ritchie, and Silfverberg. Even our third line is super fast and talented, with Rakell, Henrique, and Terry. And our fourth line is very talented as well, with Grant, Rowney, and Perry. Just like that, our team is now ready to compete with any team in the "New NHL." And we will be for years to come. 10) We are rolling all four lines. Each of the players from our supposed 4th line last night had at least 12 minutes and 27 seconds of ice time last night. And with the exception of Sprong, nobody had less. We are rolling 4 lines, making it tough for opposing teams. If any of our 4 lines can score at any time, makes it really tough on the opposing defense. Maybe why we scored 8 goals last night against the Weber and Price led Montreal Canadians! Okay, this is starting to become a novel. LOL. JK. I'll just leave it at this. The New and Improved Ducks are here to stay! We have great goalies! We have one of the best young and talented defenses in the league! And we now have one of the most exciting and talented young offenses in the league! Our team can literally beat any team in the "New NHL," and I look forward to seeing how we do next season. And we may even get a high draft pick this year. Getting a player like Kaapo Kakko would be nice. But even if we don't, we still have a great offense. Besides, even if we got Kakko and he is ready for the NHL, who right now on our top 3 lines would we take out of the lineup to create a spot for him? Should be a great end to the year. And I look forward to seeing what we do next season. Let's Go Ducks!
  37. 4 points
    Show me any player who will say otherwise when the coach is ALSO the guy who pays you.
  38. 4 points
  39. 4 points
    LOL. Warren Buffet doesn't need more either and yet he’s still out there bank rolling the deals. We all want as much of that green paper we can get our hands on.
  40. 4 points
    You seem to be using the term “valuable” as a synonym for “cost-effective”. I can’t argue with that. Ritchie is more cost-effective. He’s not more valuable in the traditional sense though. A better player is more valuable than a lesser player, especially when that better player has a skill set that isn’t redundant. If GMBM put both on the trade block tomorrow, every single GM in the league would offer more value in return for Silf than for Ritchie. So I’m struggling with your use of the term “valuable” here. Your use of the term is also making an air tight case for trading Perry. Fowler too. Both guys significantly more expensive than Silf, and both don’t score points at a rate anywhere near what their paychecks would suggest.
  41. 4 points
    Jersey won the draft in 2017 from the same position we are in now. I'm afraid what Bob would do with that first overall selection.
  42. 4 points
    I agree. I'm a firm believer in the "Carlyle effect", but I also think most of these guys (Cogs, Kes and Silf being the notable exceptions) turned into quitters at various points of the season, and I think that was really disappointing to see (and is part of the reason I hate this tank talk). I'll point to the defensive effort they gave in front of Gibby as Exhibit A. It doesn't take a system to tie up a stick or clear a puck or a body from in front of the net. That's just a basic skill, and hardly any of our guys gave much of an effort to do any of those things since December. Their effort to defend even basic plays was atrocious, and in doing so they totally hung their goaltender - their own TEAMMATE - out to dry. They absolutely deserve blame for that. A LOT of blame. But I'll also agree with the sentiment that I doubt most quit to get RC fired. Most were likely quitting just out of frustration (the lawn analogy works here). However, I don't think it was "subconscious" quitting either. They knew they were giving poor efforts, but they just stopped caring after a while. So they consciously quit. Regardless, part of what GMIHCBM is doing behind the bench right now is evaluating the on-ice leadership, which was clearly lacking all season. Does that include an evaluation of Getzlaf? It damn well better. Does it mean that he should be replaced as captain? None of us can possibly know that because we're not in the room. But I don't think even Getzlaf's "C" should be considered untouchable if it means moving the team in a better direction for the long-term health of the franchise.
  43. 4 points
    How long have you been following BM at free agency? Do you ever remember when he went for the best available player? He usually stays calm for the first 3-4 days of free agency, then signs some no-name 4th line NHL/AHL-borderline player.
  44. 4 points
    Honestly I feel like this is closer to the 2011-2012 Ducks. Carlyle got fired that season too. The team was terrible that season, finished last in the divison. Murray makes some minor adjustments in the offseason, brings in some big defensemen including a PP guy in Souray, and the team finishes first in the division with a decent coach. I feel like we have enough pieces to at least be competing for a playoff spot next season, even if we aren't a true contender.
  45. 4 points
    You don't see better scoring rates (by 50%), better posession stats (even relative, so it's not just being on a better team), or being trusted with more responsibility (his defensive zone starts are up by a lot) and thriving? You don't see any of that? Pettersson looks so much better on Pittsburgh, and it's not like he drank some magic potion on the flight from Anaheim to Pittsburgh. He was completely mismanaged by Carlyle and is now on a team that knows how to use him.
  46. 4 points
    He looked good while here. Calm composed young player. Tall and lanky but still young where he can grow into his frame. I liked him while here. Pitts gets back at us for taking a good Simon D back in the day. Someone does need to review Bobs decisions when trading for forwards.
  47. 4 points
    Well, the radio announcers said that the team WON'T give up until they are officially eliminated, and that it is so completely wrong to suggest they should lose games, just to get a better chance at the pick. Bless their hearts. If the Ducks win their last 16 games, they'll be at 91 points, so they still control their own destiny. It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, and it ain't over now.
  48. 4 points
    They might get past round 1, but their goaltending is so shaky. All it's going to take is one bad game and things will spiral out of control. Rittich was awful tonight, and he's the GOOD goalie.
  49. 4 points
    I think it's best for all of us if this Thread is Closed...all Ducks Fans know from Orange County and elsewhere Ducks are not going to make the Playoffs due in the state they are in. DuckPride 4ever MooseDuck
  50. 4 points
    Wow...I gotta say...Tavares got a brutal reception in Long Island... But those "TR91TOR" signs are pretty brilliant! The fact that it ends with TOR..aka Toronto...is pretty clever I must say
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