Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:32 PM
Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:30 PM
Are you so sure about that? 85 and 76 points the first two years following the lockout in Nashville almost mirror Selannes numbers in his return to Anaheim. He may not have gotten a Cup like Teemu, but he was having just as much success on a lesser team.
A majority of the fanbase is always going to remember Teemu as the better player because he returned to Anaheim, won a cup here, broke records here, etc. But while Selanne is the ageless wonder, he never drew comparisons to Wayne Gretzky as a young Paul Kariya did. He, along with Jagr, Lindros, and a few other players, were the faces of the NHL from the mid to late 90s. Maybe this is pretty corny evidence, but this video embodies that.
I dont blame Kariya for some of these claims that he never carried the team on his back, or asked for too much money. He was playing for an organization that obviously was not committed to winning at the time, but despite that was producing impressive numbers on the ice where it mattered. Do you guys remember some of the clubs this team threw on the ice during Kariya's prime? After Selanne was traded, do you remember who the teams second best forward was? Jeff Friesen. If Brian Burke and the Samueli's had come along in 2002 instead of 2006, we might be seeing Paul set all these records alongside Teemu.
Kariya is never going to get the due with Ducks fans because of his departure, and its a damn shame because of what he meant to the franchise. I agree that his number wont get retired because of the bitterness that still exists among some (although it seems to have died down a bit the past few years), but regardless of that, nothing can change the fact that he was the FIRST Duck.
You do realize that Teemu is 5 years older than PK right? After the Lock out PK was in his prime and inspite of the numbers Teemu put up he wasnt in his prime. Teemu had his best season without PK, and prior to playing a minute with PK. PK didnt start putting up huge numbers until he started playing with Teemu. PK may have become as good or better than Teemu but we will never know since no one can undo the damage of the Suter hit.
Teemu was never compared to Gretzky since he was always compared to Kurri. One cause he was finish and two because his game mirrored Kurri more just like PK mirroed Gretzky more.
I dont blame Karyia for playing on crappy teams, Disney was the one of the worst owners in pro sports. I agree a change in ownership and not having one of the worst GMs in the league for most of his career in ANA would have probably kept PK around more than likely. I would argue that Rucchin was the 2nd best forward post-Teemu, Friesen was trash while in Anaheim.
I think PK gets most of the respect he deserves. He was the franchise's first draft pick and first great player. Anaheim is young franchise and in its short existence PK has been surpassed by at least 2 players already (Teemu and Jiggy). As time goes on even more players will surpass him, Getz and Perry are close IMO. My point is just because PK was the first doesnt mean his is an automatic. Retired numbers are for players who stuck with the franchise through thick and thin putting the franchise above themselves or in memorium of players like Salei who died in a tragedy or fighting an illness. PK, however, always put himself first and bolted the first chance he got. He was a great player but not an all time great even for the ducks therefore no jersey in the rafters IMO.
Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:15 PM
Im very sad to see Paul go the way he did. Where's the love sure he left after getting so close he deserves his number 9 in the rafters right next to teemu
Personally, I hope that never happens. As a long time season ticket holder, his departure left a bad taste for many fans.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:09 AM
Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:06 PM
I don't understand why Paul Kariya doesn't get any credit he and Teemu were like the greatest ducks in duck history.
Because unlike all of us who ALWAYS kept our promises... he broke a promise. That should be a capital punishment right there!
Because people think he rejected 10 million dollar Disney contract for more money and refuse to let Might Ducks sign Teemu... yet both of them took pay cut to sign with Colorado Avalanche as a package deal.
And because no other professional athletes in the history of all sports ever ditch a team for money or other reasons before. Paul Kariya is the black sheep of all sports.... Expect for Patrick Roy who flat out told MTL GM to pretty much go _____ themselves. The funny thing is, Roy's jersey was retired by MTL.
Paul Kariya didn't have to renew his contract after entry level to play for Mighty Ducks yet he did. When Management traded Selanne, he didn't ask for a trade. How he broke his promise to comeback next year didn't diminished how he gave all of us hope before Selanne came to Anaheim, and the period he led the Ducks without Selanne. Love him or hate him, at some point you have to acknowledge he put Ducks on the map with his run for the cup, especially after he the goal he scored after he got absolutely decked by Scott Stevens.
Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:56 AM
Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:47 AM
Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:30 PM
Let me clarify my Griffin comparison. Most of what I have read about Griffin is something along the lines of "Amazing talent, you have to see him in person, a few holes in his game, as good as he is he can't carry a team himself." I think that was PKs Ducks tenure to a T.
You didnt even mention the biggest X factor in the cross check by Suter. It changed his career, he was never the same after it. If that hit never happened he would have left for a HUGE deal from a big market team.
As someone else mentioned every move PK made contract wise was to maximize $$$ and to hit FA as often and as soon as possible. His departure was the cherry on top, signing with Colorado on the uber-cheap to hit UFA early. That doesnt say Franchise savior, messiah, or whatever pedestal some want to put him on.
That pretty much sums up my opinion of Kariya.
I don't think Selanne would have broken all those records if he had never played with Kariya, they just clicked so incredible well together.
I think Kariya benefited more from playing with Selanne. Teemu would have produced with or without Kariya. The year that Kariya held out, Selanne scored 52 goals while virtually being the Mighty Ducks only scoring threat and having opposing teams game plan focused entirely on stopping him. That was the best year that I saw Teemu play while the two were paired. Imo, he deferred too much to Kariya and was much more creative without him. I still remember one goal where he entered the zone 1 on 3, beat all 3 defenders and the goalie, and made it look rediculously easy.
Kariya was playing like the next Gretzky before those injuries started to take over. If we remember just how talented he was then his jersey will go up there eventually.
That's quite a stretch. Few could reasonably make that comparison without a heavy dose of koolaid.
Edited by 1timer, 02 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.
Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:47 AM
He was the first star this team was built on, and he is the biggest reason the Ducks became a "real" NHL franchise.
I think he deserves to get his number retired
Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:20 AM