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2 minutes ago, Spencer_12 said:

Aw ****, 2-2.

So much for these 2 teams having a feeling out process.
Both these teams are just going for it.
Love it!

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3 minutes ago, wataduk said:

So much for these 2 teams having a feeling out process.
Both these teams are just going for it.
Love it!

Hopefully the Caps are going for a 4 game sweep :D

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1 minute ago, Spencer_12 said:

Hopefully the Caps are going for a 4 game sweep :D

Haha You might not believe it but I am actually pulling for Ovi and The Caps.
 

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And there's the Fleury I know. Yeesh talk about over committing to a shooter lol.

Yeah I'm switching over to the game 7 in the NBA. Washington still rubs me the wrong way and this game is annoying. 

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Watching this game on my phone at a sushi joint. What a time to be alive.

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Just now, DT2008 said:

If you don’t believe the league wants VGK to win, the missed cross check on Reaves erases all doubt. 

Missed the crosscheck and then the too many men on the ice on the next shift. It's completely obvious.. Only powerplay the Caps got was on a technical penalty(too many Men) that officials could not ignore.

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Oh wow refs screwed Caps on Vegas’ tying goal. Reeves crosschecks Carlson right in front of the crease and then gets the puck alone in front of Holtby and scores. Terrible officiating.

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Refs have no one to blame but themselves. This is the reason that Refs need to be made available for TV scrums after games. 

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13 minutes ago, Spencer_12 said:

Oh wow refs screwed Caps on Vegas’ tying goal. Reeves crosschecks Carlson right in front of the crease and then gets the puck alone in front of Holtby and scores. Terrible officiating.

Insert random excuse #112 

"It happens to all teams during the season"

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4 hours ago, wataduk said:

Don't waste your time....some people are going to be bitter no matter what.
I have yet to find one person who can answer the question in the affirmative as to if they truly believed this Vegas roster was going to compete for a Stanley Cup this year, next year or even the year after that. If you say you did.....that's complete bullDehydrated Donkey Dung
 

I thought they would be a 50-60pt bottom feeding team. They had a few good players, Fluery, Neal and Perron but not this mythical team made up of second line all-stars as I've read about in all sorts social media. Even half way through the season, I was expecting the big choke to happen but it never did. So my hats off to that organization for making the best out of the rules they were given.

 

4 hours ago, DT2008 said:

The issue was the number of players teams were permitted to protect.  If the teams were allowed to retain two or three more players ( as was the custom for prior expansions), not only would you not see half of the current Knights, you would not have had most of the trades.  Do you honestly think the Ducks would not have protected both Theodore and Manson?  Welcome to the Golden Knights Korbinean Holzer. 

Maybe the league looked back at the rules from previous expansions and thought they could do better this time. Who knows really? Even if teams were able to retain 2 to 3 more players, it probably would have been one forward and one defenseman or two forwards and one defenseman. Either way, Theo and maybe Manson still would have exposed. I don't see what's so bad about dumping the Stoner contract. It sucks that the Ducks lost Theo but Anaheim has a good amount of puck moving LHD's in the system. 

Do you think Columbus would have covered Karlsson given the chance? I doubt it. The team may perhaps look different but I think the key was Gallant. The players bought into his system and message and are now three wins away from a Stanley Cup. Maybe with the pending Seattle expansion looming, the NHL's GM's might be a little smarter given the Vegas experience.

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All this talk about the NHL modernizing heading into these finals when you still got bozos like this running around and sending the opposing team's leading scorer to the quiet room with blindside interference

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Blindsided with a late hit. Not much else to do other than call the interference. 

Marchasseault needs a little more situational awareness with a rabid baboon prowling the ice. 

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1 hour ago, PetrSykora said:

All this talk about the NHL modernizing heading into these finals when you still got bozos like this running around and sending the opposing team's leading scorer to the quiet room with blindside interference

I'm so torn between my desire to see Ovi lift the cup and my desire for Tom Wilson to never lift the Cup.

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19 minutes ago, wataduk said:

I'm so torn between my desire to see Ovi lift the cup and my desire for Tom Wilson to never lift the Cup.

What's gonna be weird, potentially saying Stanley Cup winner, Luca Sbisa.

Moral of the story, be a young Ducks defenseman and then get outta Dodge. You got Jultz. Possibly Theordore and Sbisa. Watch Vatanen and the Devil's win next year. On the other hand, Gardiner got handed a bum situation. 

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Some seem to think Perron should have a view of the press box. Anyone see this, he comes on as sixth man to goon it with Ovie after a stoppage of play. I didn't see it, hence I'm asking. 

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14 hours ago, wataduk said:

Are you kidding me?

No totally serious, you just seem to be pushing your agenda so hard, you are missing my point.


On whose team is Reaves is a 2nd liner? How about Carrier? How about Nosek? Bellmare wouldn't be on the 2nd line of any team I'm aware of. Same with Carpenter.

Well, consider this. they are rolling their 4 lines with pretty even ice time. Sure there are better skaters and lesser ones, but the top 3 lines can be all iced 15-20 and Vegas is not afraid to leave their fourth line out there for over 12 mins. Point is, they come at you in waves and their determination stemming from the chip on their shoulders makes them a superior unit.


Remind me...what line was Karlsson on in Columbus?

Perfect exemple. Just because a player didn't play top lines before doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent to do so. He was just never given the chance. Vegas recognized talent where others did not, kudos to them, even to Gallant for tapping that potential, he did great work, exceptional even. BUT, my point remains: an expansion team isn't supposed to have their pick of the litter. And yes, that litter did not consist of the highest tear players, but it consisted of much higher tear players than whom were supposed to be available for an expansion team. The trade leverage they had over the whole league just added insult to the injury.


How about that defense? McNabb....pulease. Would you want Sbisa on the Ducks? Derek Engelland is like a million years old. Their best d man is a guy who the Duck fans were all to happy to give up on after last season and especially since it meant the dispersal of Stoner's contract and the Knights not taking Vatanen.

I for one didn't really want Theodore to go, I imagine not that many did, so it's another hyperbole, however, many, including myself acknowledged the fact that he was the Ducks' best bargaining chip. Again, a bargain they should have never been forced to be in.

My reference to Carlyle has nothing to do with my like or dislike for him as a coach but more to do with an honest question. DO YOU THINK RC COULD COACH THIS VEGAS ROSTER TO A SCF APPEARANCE? My point?

Your reference to Carlyle is senseless and irrelevant, What's the point of that question here?

Give Gerard Gallant an ounce of credit for pulling off an amazing season with a less than amazing roster!

I have, multiple times. You may have missed those. I even acknowledged him in my previous post, it is that my argument wasn't against him or built around that fact.

My point?
Vegas was given unique and privileged rights (for acquiring players for their team) as an expansion team, and that is a fact. And it was not based on merit, that's for sure.
They are compared to expansion teams and their records which in itself is an unfair comparison, they did not have the same setup, at all, so it's apples and oranges.

However, I totally agree that their achievements and what Gallant as a coach has done is exceptional on their own, and to your point, most probably not all of the current coaches (including Carlyle) could have done that. If you think about it, Gallant was a prefect match from the start, a coach unrightfully fired with a bunch of cast offs. Chips on all their shoulders, to prove them wrong.
In my opinion though, Gallant is a really good coach, but not as great as he is made out to be (or he still has to prove it for an extended period, and yes, I'd take him in a heartbeat to coach the Ducks). I may be not right on this one, but all their players playing a 'prove it' year at the same time helped him making look better. No one will be able to quantify how much was the team and how much was the coach. Future seasons will help clarify that a bit.

Next year, they might come back to Earth, they may not.

Still, to my point, they were put in a position to rob teams, and that position should have never been theirs and because of that, I can not truly stand behind them.
NHL needs to change that for Seattle (with such a precedent, it will be really hard to do, and trying to avoid favoritism, they will probably not do that) or at least lessen the bargaining power of the expansion team.


 

 

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17 hours ago, perry_mvp said:

Teams were given a chance to dump unwanted contracts or have Vegas target specific players IF they made a deal to do so. How is that ONLY beneficial to Vegas? The only big time players that Vegas drafted were Fluery (who Pittsburg didn't want), Neal and to a lesser extent Perron. Who else was a star? Vegas overachieved this season by leaps and bounds. McPhee wasn't even expecting this. No one was expecting this. Not even the VGK players were expecting this. The whole "it's unfair" argument is getting kind of old now. 

Because some teams still couldn't protect all of their good players and some were forced to give up potentially great ones this way. Only some players were used as salary dump. No one - as an expansion team - had that leverage before, but yet, they are still compared to those teams with their records. Just not the same case, at all.

This is my opinion, we can agree to disagree, it is that for this reason, I can not honestly support them, simple as that. You can, that's not a problem.

I don't hate them, they will just always have a huge asterisk when I look at their season.

I told wataduk the same, what they achieved is pretty cool and exceptional nonetheless, both as players and coaches (I can not bring myself to include McPhee here, sorry, to early for that).

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4 hours ago, DucksProg said:

 

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I for one didn't really want Theodore to go, I imagine not that many did, so it's another hyperbole, however, many, including myself acknowledged the fact that he was the Ducks' best bargaining chip. Again, a bargain they should have never been forced to be in.
 

Under the rules of the 2000 expansion draft which applied to MINN and CBJ, the Ducks would probably have still lost Theodore. If not Theodore than certainly Manson. You can thank GMBM for handing out NTC and NMC like candy for that.

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Well, consider this. they are rolling their 4 lines with pretty even ice time. Sure there are better skaters and lesser ones, but the top 3 lines can be all iced 15-20 and Vegas is not afraid to leave their fourth line out there for over 12 mins. Point is, they come at you in waves and their determination stemming from the chip on their shoulders makes them a superior unit.

That makes no sense whatsoever and plays right into my point which seems to evade you. Gerard Gallant has given this group the motivation and confidence that few other coaches may have given this group. They call themselves misfits. YES, they have a chip on their shoulders. As a matter of fact, they probably have a giant chip on their shoulders. With that in mind, Gerard did a sales job on these guys that is epic, the likes of which we will probably never see again in pro sports.
 

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Your reference to Carlyle is senseless and irrelevant, What's the point of that question here?

It's not senseless. You and others keep mentioning a rigged draft. Well yes, they got some advantages that past expansion teams did not get but without the proper leadership in place, those advantages are probably never realized. I quite simply do not believe that an RC system would produce similar results in LV.

Right coach, right group, right time.
It comes down to the system, the belief, the confidence from the #1 player to the #20 player, and a revenge factor that makes this team tick along with a coach who can instill those beliefs in the men on the ice.
RC is not known for that.......that is my point.

I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to show me a tweet or a post from September claiming the Knights were so stacked that they would be playing for the Stanley Cup this year or next. How about a betting slip? I'm guessing you jumped all over those 500-1 odds for the Knights to win a Cup at the beginning of the season?

 

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On 5/29/2018 at 0:39 PM, wataduk said:

Under the rules of the 2000 expansion draft which applied to MINN and CBJ, the Ducks would probably have still lost Theodore. If not Theodore than certainly Manson. You can thank GMBM for handing out NTC and NMC like candy for that.

That makes no sense whatsoever and plays right into my point which seems to evade you. Gerard Gallant has given this group the motivation and confidence that few other coaches may have given this group. They call themselves misfits. YES, they have a chip on their shoulders. As a matter of fact, they probably have a giant chip on their shoulders. With that in mind, Gerard did a sales job on these guys that is epic, the likes of which we will probably never see again in pro sports.
 

It's not senseless. You and others keep mentioning a rigged draft. Well yes, they got some advantages that past expansion teams did not get but without the proper leadership in place, those advantages are probably never realized. I quite simply do not believe that an RC system would produce similar results in LV.

Right coach, right group, right time.
It comes down to the system, the belief, the confidence from the #1 player to the #20 player, and a revenge factor that makes this team tick along with a coach who can instill those beliefs in the men on the ice.
RC is not known for that.......that is my point.

I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to show me a tweet or a post from September claiming the Knights were so stacked that they would be playing for the Stanley Cup this year or next. How about a betting slip? I'm guessing you jumped all over those 500-1 odds for the Knights to win a Cup at the beginning of the season?

 

Boy I sure hope SOMEONE did! I can't believe NO ONE in VEGAS...the gambling capital of the country...just out of being funny or for the sake of doing it...didn't put like $1000 on the Knights at the start. There are people there who throw away their money at much worse things :P

Anyway! Great game yesterday!...not sure where the boards have been though...

EDIT: Also, 'cause I can't help it..."I wish I could back to the beginning of the season -- put some money on the Knighties!"

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59 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Boy I sure hope SOMEONE did! I can't believe NO ONE in VEGAS...the gambling capital of the country...just out of being funny or for the sake of doing it...didn't put like $1000 on the Knights at the start. There are people there who throw away their money at much worse things :P

Anyway! Great game yesterday!...not sure where the boards have been though...

EDIT: Also, 'cause I can't help it..."I wish I could back to the beginning of the season -- put some money on the Knighties!"


I have a friend who owns a $20 ticket at 250-1. Not because he actually thought the Knights were going to win but more of a novelty thing.....that and a few rounds of cocktails in the casino. :D

He goes to Vegas every year towards the end of Sept. and usually buys tickets on 8-10 teams. Lucky Duck has both the Caps and the Knights so he is sitting pretty. I put down a few simoleons on 6 different teams myself, including our very own Ducks but lost my last hope when Winny got eliminated.

Interesting story here.

https://wapo.st/2xv38hp

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20 minutes ago, wataduk said:


I have a friend who owns a $20 ticket at 250-1. Not because he actually thought the Knights were going to win but more of a novelty thing.....that and a few rounds of cocktails in the casino. :D

He goes to Vegas every year towards the end of Sept. and usually buys tickets on 8-10 teams. Lucky Duck has both the Caps and the Knights so he is sitting pretty. I put down a few simoleons on 6 different teams myself, including our very own Ducks but lost my last hope when Winny got eliminated.

Interesting story here.

https://wapo.st/2xv38hp

This is a fantastic article! Thank you!!

Back in 2014 I bought (basically) a novelty ticket for the Cubs to win in 2015. I'm sure I wasn't the only one...but I do not regret that one bit (despite being a year off)!

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