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List of things to do for Bob in the offseason:

1. Draft another defenseman in the first round, because "they are easy to move around".

2. Sign 4th line Joe Shmo forward to replace Carter Rowney 

3. Sign bottom six Joe Shmo defenseman to replace Ben Hutton

4. Extend beloved Manson to 8 years $50 mil with NTC

5. Extend Dallas Eakins to 3 more years.

6. Proclaim at the beginning of training camp that Ducks are playoff team,  because they are younger and faster.

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4 hours ago, DucksFan_08 said:

That was a rumor back in the day when Manson was playing way better and wasn't injury prone. So we most definitely would have to add and I think something significant if we want to dump Grant's contract. And I think Manson has only 1 year remaining on his contract. Anyway I don't see them trading Nylander. As I stated already he actually showed up in the Playoffs and earns a lot less than JT, Matthews & Marner.

It's crazy how their fanbase is roasting Marner. I kinda feel bad for the kid. He just turned 24 and has put up 25 points in 32 Playoff games. He may be soft but I wouldn't call him a disaster either. Sure he makes 11 mil and that's not good but dubas gave him that contract. Matthews doesn't take that much heat while their performances were pretty much the same.

I wouldn't say no to Marner (starting in 22-23 he makes 8 mil in actual salary) but then I think toronto would have to retain something or take back a cap dump (Shattenkirk).

Why would we add something significant to dump a guy who doesn't make that much to begin with? Grant isn't perfect but he plays on the fourth line. He also had somewhat of a down year. 

Changes need to be made for the roster that's for sure. Any word on the assistants though? I can't believe it's taken this long to get rid of them. That's making me nervous, if we go into another year of the three stooges systems...

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2 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:

List of things to do for Bob in the offseason:

1. Draft another defenseman in the first round, because "they are easy to move around".

2. Sign 4th line Joe Shmo forward to replace Carter Rowney 

3. Sign bottom six Joe Shmo defenseman to replace Ben Hutton

4. Extend beloved Manson to 8 years $50 mil with NTC

5. Extend Dallas Eakins to 3 more years.

6. Proclaim at the beginning of training camp that Ducks are playoff team,  because they are younger and faster.

7. Declare Me MooseDuck all knowing and All Seeing j/k.

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14 hours ago, Fisix said:

i don't think dubas is going to freak out and blow them up.  from what i can see, what they really need is better defensemen, supplemented by a better defense coach. they may need a better head coach, or their HC needs to be trained up for the playoffs.  i've heard one pundit say Keefe didn't adjust the matchup against marner and matthews enough when they had home ice, and that might be true.  my view is that once Tavares went down, and their god line was being effectively shut down, ESPECIALLY in the 6th game, they needed to try splitting matthews and marner and maybe using some of their bulk in the 4th line to clear the way for one of the Ms or Nylander to score.  i think what everyone agrees on is that Keefe didn't seem willing to change things up enough when it was pretty clear to everyone else that Montreal had figured out a way to shut down the TOR lines that kept being sent out on the ice shift after shift.  Montreal didn't have a god line that TOR needed to be super wary of, so there wasn't a good argument to stay the course, at least not after they made it partway through the 6th game.  certainly not after the 3rd poor start partway through the 1st period of the 7th game.

Completely agree, and I was thinking this while watching the games. I couldn't believe he wasn't splitting up Marner and Matthews to try and spread the offense when they were struggling to score. The plan just seemed to be to load up that top line and put them out there for every offensive zone draw, but Montreal just countered by playing Weber and Chiarot every time and completely shut them down. The lack of coaching adjustments cost Toronto IMO.

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3 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:

List of things to do for Bob in the offseason:

1. Draft another defenseman in the first round, because "they are easy to move around".

2. Sign 4th line Joe Shmo forward to replace Carter Rowney 

3. Sign bottom six Joe Shmo defenseman to replace Ben Hutton

4. Extend beloved Manson to 8 years $50 mil with NTC

5. Extend Dallas Eakins to 3 more years.

6. Proclaim at the beginning of training camp that Ducks are playoff team,  because they are younger and faster.

Accurate.

In a normal year I wouldn't have a problem taking a defenseman in the first round even if we need forwards, as taking the best player available is the smartest draft strategy. However in a season where the scouting has been limited and the draft rankings are not as clear, this may be the one season where we should be drafting based on team need.

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On 6/1/2021 at 9:42 AM, nieder said:

I think anyone except Zegras and Drysdale should be on the table, that includes Gibson if the offer is big enough.

I don't think Comtois should be on the block. He's one of the few players that actually plays the kind of hockey the Ducks need.

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16 hours ago, Fisix said:

it would be painful on both sides, but i think marner could do well here, and gibson there... though they don't really need gibson.  frankly, they need a healthy Manson and Shatt more than they need a gibson.  they'd love a Fowler or Lindholm, but i think we'd be crazy to move either of those contracts right now.  if we traded gibson to TOR for Marner, my guess is that they'd turn right around and trade him out to fill their d-line needs with low-cost but skilled d-R/FAs.  i think they'd have done much better in this series with Gbud in their D-line.

i don't think dubas is going to freak out and blow them up.  from what i can see, what they really need is better defensemen, supplemented by a better defense coach. they may need a better head coach, or their HC needs to be trained up for the playoffs.  i've heard one pundit say Keefe didn't adjust the matchup against marner and matthews enough when they had home ice, and that might be true.  my view is that once Tavares went down, and their god line was being effectively shut down, ESPECIALLY in the 6th game, they needed to try splitting matthews and marner and maybe using some of their bulk in the 4th line to clear the way for one of the Ms or Nylander to score.  i think what everyone agrees on is that Keefe didn't seem willing to change things up enough when it was pretty clear to everyone else that Montreal had figured out a way to shut down the TOR lines that kept being sent out on the ice shift after shift.  Montreal didn't have a god line that TOR needed to be super wary of, so there wasn't a good argument to stay the course, at least not after they made it partway through the 6th game.  certainly not after the 3rd poor start partway through the 1st period of the 7th game.

it's one of those things where a coach has to work in real time to open up some space for his key players.  it's one of the weaknesses BB had in the playoffs (not this exact weakness, but the weakness in real time adjustment and overall confidence while in the playoffs).  Keefe does so well during the regular season, i think you work on him rather than move on, but TOR's defense coach needs to be rejiggered, and they probably need to figure out a way to get a better d-line than they have now.  i'm not so down on the mistakes each individual d-man made to lose the 5th and 6th games in overtime, but TOR's defensive shape left almost no room for recovering from mistakes.  that wouldn't be as much of a problem if their d-line was offensively minded - they'd have an excuse to be out of position and leaky in the back - but their d-line is not offensive, and at least in this series, they looked like they couldn't get set up properly most of the time (because their Fs would outrun them).  I'm sure Montreal played a game that made that tendency worse (what's the name for the type of play where the team bogs down the neutral zone so that the puck just doesn't pass smoothly and the other (faster) team gets super frustrated?  i know the Ducks did that quite a bit - ugly play, but effective against the right teams), but then we're just back to the lack of being able to adjust... over a full 3-4 games of the series.  

because of the ED, if they want to move people, they might try to do it quick before the ED.  but, by the same token, they might have all their chips in a row and not want to mess with their ED plans.  the safe play is to just adjust coaching and give most of the team a pass through next season (whoever will stay for a reduced price).  Freddie is likely out... if he's exposable, they'll do that i think.

Honestly, I don’t think Toronto needs anything for that team? Dubas went and did everything he needed to do and his stars didn’t perform. Toronto outplayed Montreal virtually every game. Team just laid over and died after game 5. 

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6 hours ago, g20topdogg said:

Why would we add something significant to dump a guy who doesn't make that much to begin with? Grant isn't perfect but he plays on the fourth line. He also had somewhat of a down year. 

Changes need to be made for the roster that's for sure. Any word on the assistants though? I can't believe it's taken this long to get rid of them. That's making me nervous, if we go into another year of the three stooges systems...

Why not keep the assistants?  In spite of the worst record in team history, they are keeping the head coach and the GM.  It's the players fault anyway - ask the GM...

He can't admit he's wrong about anything.  Must be a nightmare to work for...

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On 6/1/2021 at 8:41 PM, Fisix said:

I'm sure Montreal played a game that made that tendency worse (what's the name for the type of play where the team bogs down the neutral zone so that the puck just doesn't pass smoothly and the other (faster) team gets super frustrated?  i know the Ducks did that quite a bit - ugly play, but effective against the right teams), but then we're just back to the lack of being able to adjust... over a full 3-4 games of the series..

ah, finally triggered the memory.  they were playing The Trap.  worked incredibly well against the MM AM line.

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Who knows what will happen But I stand by what I feel and say...Ducks are LONG OVER DUE for BIG Shakeup.

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On 6/8/2021 at 5:58 AM, Sexlaf15 said:

Wonder if Winnipeg would give up a lot for Manson. 

They might after this series 😁

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On 6/8/2021 at 12:58 AM, Sexlaf15 said:

Wonder if Winnipeg would give up a lot for Manson. 

Good Question there are Players I feel can fit into our Ducks Hockey......one of them is Pionk,Appleton and Veslainen.

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On 6/7/2021 at 4:38 PM, MooseDuck said:

Who knows what will happen But I stand by what I feel and say...Ducks are LONG OVER DUE for BIG Shakeup.

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Yup last 5 years it seems like we have just been standing pat! It’s been pretty sad 😢 

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1 hour ago, Pazonator said:

Yup last 5 years it seems like we have just been standing pat! It’s been pretty sad 😢 

Patrick Laine,PLD,Faulk.......so many names Ducks should have pursue instead back off due to our GM being Timid.

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On 6/9/2021 at 3:37 PM, MooseDuck said:

Patrick Laine,PLD,Faulk.......so many names Ducks should have pursue instead back off due to our GM being Timid.

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I think he was in on all of them.  Considering the first two were a flat out trade for the other, who do you think we should have given up of a similar level?

As for Faulk, we already have his stats in Cam Fowler, and Cam isn't signed until he is 36 like Faulk is.  You may be confusing "timid" and "smart" in this case.

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2 hours ago, gotchabari said:

I think he was in on all of them.  Considering the first two were a flat out trade for the other, who do you think we should have given up of a similar level?

As for Faulk, we already have his stats in Cam Fowler, and Cam isn't signed until he is 36 like Faulk is.  You may be confusing "timid" and "smart" in this case.

Faulk had the Ducks on his no-trade list and he wouldn't waive it to come here. GMBM gets no credit for avoiding Faulk's lengthy contract. The trade would have gone through if Faulk had agreed to the trade. If anything, you can credit Faulk for not wanting to be a Duck.

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1 hour ago, dtsdlaw said:

Faulk had the Ducks on his no-trade list and he wouldn't waive it to come here. GMBM gets no credit for avoiding Faulk's lengthy contract. The trade would have gone through if Faulk had agreed to the trade. If anything, you can credit Faulk for not wanting to be a Duck.

Looking back at that I am just wondering WHY Bob would Pursue Faulk if our Ducks were on No Trade List.

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On 6/11/2021 at 2:59 PM, MooseDuck said:

Looking back at that I am just wondering WHY Bob would Pursue Faulk if our Ducks were on No Trade List.

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Wait, you said three posts ago that he DIDN'T pursue him, and he was to blame for that.

We really have to keep our stories straight when trying to bludgeon GMBM in retrospect.

 

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On 6/11/2021 at 2:59 PM, MooseDuck said:

Looking back at that I am just wondering WHY Bob would Pursue Faulk if our Ducks were on No Trade List.

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when a team is on your no trade list, all that means is that the team can't trade you to certain teams without there being a negotiation involving you.  players can waive that block for any number of (generally financial) reasons.

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Here is Likely Trade scenario for you all from yours Truly neighourhood Diehard Ducks Fan Zealot....

To Ottawa:Henrique,Manson and Lundestrom

To Anaheim Ducks: RHD Lass Thomson, C Shane Pinto and Alex Formenton

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Saw a Buffalo writer propose a trade for Eichel that was essentially centered around Comtois and the 3rd overall pick. 
 

still don’t think Eichel really fits this teams timeline, so I’m hesitant.

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1 hour ago, Sexlaf15 said:

Saw a Buffalo writer propose a trade for Eichel that was essentially centered around Comtois and the 3rd overall pick. 
 

still don’t think Eichel really fits this teams timeline, so I’m hesitant.

I saw that too. The proposal was the 3rd overall, Comtois and Henrique for Eichel. If I remember correctly, the writer used the word "desperate" as motivation for Murray to make a deal which is absolutely not the position I want him to be dealing from lol.

In about a month, I want to feel at ease and see the article headline "Duck's Ain't Getting Jack" 

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14 hours ago, hoxxey said:

Great. Trade for an injured player 

Even if Eichel were the healthiest person on the planet, I still would not trade for him. The Ducks are constantly being mentioned as a team that is “interested” so trade proposals are going to keep coming up until Eichel is moved (presumably at the entry draft). Elliotte Friedman keeps saying that he expects the Ducks to do something big this offseason (which they have to do regardless of whether Eichel is on the trade block or not) which is going to fuel those rumors even more.

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19 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

I saw that too. The proposal was the 3rd overall, Comtois and Henrique for Eichel. If I remember correctly, the writer used the word "desperate" as motivation for Murray to make a deal which is absolutely not the position I want him to be dealing from lol.

In about a month, I want to feel at ease and see the article headline "Duck's Ain't Getting Jack" 

I'd be down for that trade, assuming he's able to get healthy. If that's all that we'd give up that's a steal. 

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4 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Even if Eichel were the healthiest person on the planet, I still would not trade for him. The Ducks are constantly being mentioned as a team that is “interested” so trade proposals are going to keep coming up until Eichel is moved (presumably at the entry draft). Elliotte Friedman keeps saying that he expects the Ducks to do something big this offseason (which they have to do regardless of whether Eichel is on the trade block or not) which is going to fuel those rumors even more.

(the bolded) - why not?  personality issue?

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1 hour ago, Fisix said:

(the bolded) - why not?  personality issue?

Nah no problem with his personality, I’ve explained it more in depth previously in the “Should we trade for Jack Eichel” thread. The gist of it is spending prime assets on a 10 mil aav player who doesn’t line up with where this team’s rebuild is and when there are major UFA decisions to be made next summer. It’s not the right time to pull a trigger on a trade like this and having Eichel on this team doesn’t really put the Ducks in the playoff picture and certainly not in the contention, IMO. The Ducks were so bad last year and the hopeful cavalry of Drysdale and Zegras are still developing. Having a star player would be nice but this team’s problems are too deep to fix with Eichel and some new assistant coaches. Take swings next summer when the free agent class will be better, Zegras and Drysdale have more experience, another likely top-10 pick in a better touted draft and with more assets assuming we trade some of the pending UFA’s. And likely a new GM calling the shots.

Then there’s also whether or not Eichel wants to be here, which I cannot imagine him wanting to if he wants to get to the playoffs as he’s said. He doesn’t have trade protection but can Jeff Carter himself and force his way out of town. Also, why would he feel confident about this team and a GM that the majority of fanbase is calling to be fired and a coach that has yet to make any real strides at the NHL level?

if Murray trades for Eichel, then I think it will be one of the most boneheaded moves he’ll have made as GM.

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2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Nah no problem with his personality, I’ve explained it more in depth previously in the “Should we trade for Jack Eichel” thread. The gist of it is spending prime assets on a 10 mil aav player who doesn’t line up with where this team’s rebuild is and when there are major UFA decisions to be made next summer. It’s not the right time to pull a trigger on a trade like this and having Eichel on this team doesn’t really put the Ducks in the playoff picture and certainly not in the contention, IMO. The Ducks were so bad last year and the hopeful cavalry of Drysdale and Zegras are still developing. Having a star player would be nice but this team’s problems are too deep to fix with Eichel and some new assistant coaches. Take swings next summer when the free agent class will be better, Zegras and Drysdale have more experience, another likely top-10 pick in a better touted draft and with more assets assuming we trade some of the pending UFA’s. And likely a new GM calling the shots.

Then there’s also whether or not Eichel wants to be here, which I cannot imagine him wanting to if he wants to get to the playoffs as he’s said. He doesn’t have trade protection but can Jeff Carter himself and force his way out of town. Also, why would he feel confident about this team and a GM that the majority of fanbase is calling to be fired and a coach that has yet to make any real strides at the NHL level?

if Murray trades for Eichel, then I think it will be one of the most boneheaded moves he’ll have made as GM.

I wouldn’t scoff at acquiring a super star without giving up our 2 best prospexts, but I agree. He’s only 24, so it’s not really that he’s too old, but we’d also be scraping the bottom of the barrel sending out Comtois, this team doesn’t have a supporting cast. I just don’t think Eichel really does anything for this team’s timeline other than add, what fees like, a ticking clock on the rebuild. Which leads to bad decisions. 

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My concern with Eichel is whether or not he will be the same player he was before the injury. By the sound of things his career might be done depending on how severe the injury is and if the surgery he wants will restore him to his earlier level of play. I would hope GMBM would be smart enough to make Buffalo retain a huge chunk of that 10M salary as well. And when exactly would the trade happen? Before the expansion draft? If so that would be one more person to protect.

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