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17 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

I don’t think Larsson, Pettersson and Mahura are getting these long looks to be Monty’s replacement. Or Manson’s. And we all know Lindholm isn’t going anywhere. So who does that leave as the likely odd man out... :ph34r:

Fowler has to be covered for the expansion draft. Manson also has a clause in his contract so he has to be covered as well. If Lindholm is not going anywhere then that leaves Monty. Larsson, Mahura and I think Pettersson are not eligible for the draft. 

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57 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

 

On CapFriendly it does.

No Trade Clauses (NTCs) do not have to be covered. Only No Movement Clauses (NMCs) have to be covered for the expansion draft.

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9 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

No Trade Clauses (NTCs) do not have to be covered. Only No Movement Clauses (NMCs) have to be covered for the expansion draft.

Huh...what is the difference?

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10 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

No Trade Clauses (NTCs) do not have to be covered. Only No Movement Clauses (NMCs) have to be covered for the expansion draft.

I know the rule said NMC's specifically but NTC's fell under the same protection requirement. Veremette was required to be protected last  expansion draft and he had an NTC. Manson's NTC doesn't kick in until next season (according to Cap Friendly).

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32 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

I know the rule said NMC's specifically but NTC's fell under the same protection requirement. Veremette was required to be protected last  expansion draft and he had an NTC. Manson's NTC doesn't kick in until next season (according to Cap Friendly).

Not true. It was only NMCs. James Neal had a modified NTC almost identical to Manson's and he ended up a Golden Knight. Same with David Perron.

Vermette was also not required to be protected. The Ducks could have exposed him if they wanted to. But it really didn't matter who the Ducks exposed because they already had the deal in place for Vegas to choose Stoner in exchange for also getting Theo.

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46 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Huh...what is the difference?

No movement means no movement. You can't trade him. You can't send him to the minors. And per the expansion rules, you can't let him be selected in an expansion draft. No trade clauses apply only to trades. You can still bury players in the minors if they have an NTC, and they are also eligible to be selected in the expansion draft. 

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2 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

No movement means no movement. You can't trade him. You can't send him to the minors. And per the expansion rules, you can't let him be selected in an expansion draft. No trade clauses apply only to trades. You can still bury players in the minors if they have an NTC, and they are also eligible to be selected in the expansion draft. 

Ohhhh got it got it. That makes sense. So NMCs are definitely worth more to a player than NTC. thanks!

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18 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

Not true. It was only NMCs. James Neal had a modified NTC almost identical to Manson's and he ended up a Golden Knight. Same with David Perron.

Vermette was also not required to be protected. The Ducks could have exposed him if they wanted to. But it really didn't matter who the Ducks exposed because they already had the deal in place for Vegas to choose Stoner in exchange for also getting Theo.

Thanks for the correction. I must have read something different back then that said NTC's had to be covered.

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Just now, perry_mvp said:

Thanks for the correction. I must have read something different back then that said NTC's had to be covered.

I just remember laughing at Dustin Brown being exposed despite his NTC and that terrible contract, so it sticks in my mind. :lol:

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Just now, dtsdlaw said:

I just remember laughing at Dustin Brown being exposed despite his NTC and that terrible contract, so it sticks in my mind. :lol:

I remember Bobby Ryan daring the Knights to pick him. I bet he wishes they did.:D

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On 11/13/2018 at 10:02 AM, gorbachav5 said:

I would do that in a second.  It will obviously take more, but I would do Montour + young forward (Steel, Terry, Jones, Comtois) for Nylander.

No on Steel (lack of depth in the position)

Yes on everyone else. Even with the injury problems on defense, I would still pull the trigger.

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1 hour ago, BlazingEtem said:

No on Steel (lack of depth in the position)

Yes on everyone else. Even with the injury problems on defense, I would still pull the trigger.

Honestly with the current coaching and our crazy injury numbers I feel this season is a write-off. To get a player like Nylander I would pull the trigger too. Who cares how many injuries we have on the blueline right now, the weaker it is the closer we get to the #1 overall draft pick. This move would be for the future. We get a kid that has scored 61 points in 2 straight seasons and he's only 22 years old, still years away from his prime.

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2 hours ago, nieder said:

Honestly with the current coaching and our crazy injury numbers I feel this season is a write-off. To get a player like Nylander I would pull the trigger too. Who cares how many injuries we have on the blueline right now, the weaker it is the closer we get to the #1 overall draft pick. This move would be for the future. We get a kid that has scored 61 points in 2 straight seasons and he's only 22 years old, still years away from his prime.

Agreed. Better to use this season that includes RC and injuries galor to write off instead of prolonging being a mediocre team longer than it needs to be. We can continue believing we are top tier and either finish mid rank or get eliminated early each time or we can shorten the inevitable rebuild by getting the Getz replacement this draft (pending there is one available) and by the time Getz is close to really slowing down or retiring we have said elite draftee taking the top line position. 

And yes getting Nylander with D pieces I would do in a heartbeat. He’s a natural center (I think too) so he is someone who we need to begin replacing Getz and Kessler. We would still have good young D along with 2 good young centers (Steel and Nylander) 

 

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33 minutes ago, RobD360 said:

Agreed. Better to use this season that includes RC and injuries galor to write off instead of prolonging being a mediocre team longer than it needs to be. We can continue believing we are top tier and either finish mid rank or get eliminated early each time or we can shorten the inevitable rebuild by getting the Getz replacement this draft (pending there is one available) and by the time Getz is close to really slowing down or retiring we have said elite draftee taking the top line position. 

And yes getting Nylander with D pieces I would do in a heartbeat. He’s a natural center (I think too) so he is someone who we need to begin replacing Getz and Kessler. We would still have good young D along with 2 good young centers (Steel and Nylander) 

 

Jack Hughes.

Probably a pipe dream but if this team continues to stink they'll be in with a shot.

The worst thing that could happen would be the Kings winning the first overall pick.

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On 11/21/2018 at 6:00 PM, nieder said:

Jack Hughes.

Probably a pipe dream but if this team continues to stink they'll be in with a shot.

The worst thing that could happen would be the Kings winning the first overall pick.

The Pacific Division sucks. The Ducks will end up a playoff bubble team, one way or the other. Doesn't really matter what side of the bubble they end up on. It's a mid 1st pick.

The Pacific is really screwing us right now, in terms of draft placement.

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On 11/21/2018 at 1:45 PM, Jasoaks said:

Ohhhh got it got it. That makes sense. So NMCs are definitely worth more to a player than NTC. thanks!

NMC is a golden ticket for a player. The team can literally do nothing about the player. They can press box the guy but other than that, he's a roster player.

However there are things like "modified NMCs". Actually not sure a modified MNC is a thing. Modified NTCs are and Kesler has one in his last year of his contract. It changes from NMC to M-NTC, in which he submits an "8 team no trade list".

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4 hours ago, poum said:

NMC is a golden ticket for a player. The team can literally do nothing about the player. They can press box the guy but other than that, he's a roster player.

However there are things like "modified NMCs". Actually not sure a modified MNC is a thing. Modified NTCs are and Kesler has one in his last year of his contract. It changes from NMC to M-NTC, in which he submits an "8 team no trade list".

ohhhh so if you have a modified NTC...you don't have to officially "waive" anything...you'd just have to submit a team list if requested.

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41 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

ohhhh so if you have a modified NTC...you don't have to officially "waive" anything...you'd just have to submit a team list if requested.

It all comes down to how the contract was structered. In Keslers case, it's an 8 team no go. Some players might have a higher "not happening" list. Or some other stipulation under the "modified". But yes, in the last year of Keslers contract he could be traded to a potential 22 teams without his explicit agreement. Just so long as one of those teams aren't under his "nuh uh" list.

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1 hour ago, poum said:

It all comes down to how the contract was structered. In Keslers case, it's an 8 team no go. Some players might have a higher "not happening" list. Or some other stipulation under the "modified". But yes, in the last year of Keslers contract he could be traded to a potential 22 teams without his explicit agreement. Just so long as one of those teams aren't under his "nuh uh" list.

got it got it...speaking of Kesler and pretty much off topic...just saw Molly's Game last night and he's in the movie!

At the beginning the main character is waxing philosophical about the question "what is the worst thing to happen in sports?" and one of the things she mentions is "losing game 7" and there's some quick cuts of vancouver losing to boston in 2011...and a close-up of Kesler after the game was over is included in that.

 

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18 hours ago, Jasoaks said:

got it got it...speaking of Kesler and pretty much off topic...just saw Molly's Game last night and he's in the movie!

At the beginning the main character is waxing philosophical about the question "what is the worst thing to happen in sports?" and one of the things she mentions is "losing game 7" and there's some quick cuts of vancouver losing to boston in 2011...and a close-up of Kesler after the game was over is included in that.

 

One of the first lines in that trailer was "losing in four." Something Kesler is also familiar with now.

F-those Chum guzzling sharks.

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5 hours ago, poum said:

One of the first lines in that trailer was "losing in four." Something Kesler is also familiar with now.

F-those Chum guzzling sharks.

Yeah...I uh...didn't want to mention that part... :P

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Apparently the Leafs GM has reached out to interested GMs and asked specifically what they would give up for Nylander. If Bob is offering Montour/Ritchie or something like that that involves Montour...the Leafs really should take it. They add Montour into that line up they are the team to beat. Adding Nylander into that line up doesn't really solve their issues. Like EK going to San Jose...sure it makes them "better" but it's not really what kept them from a cup. It's not the missing piece.

But IF we were to trade for Nylander...wouldn't that then mean WE'D have to sign him, like, immediately, so he doesn't sit for the rest of the year? Or is there some time there? And what if he doesn't want to sign with us? I assume we wouldn't be making a trade without talking to Nylander about whether or not he'd sign.

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1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:

Apparently the Leafs GM has reached out to interested GMs and asked specifically what they would give up for Nylander. If Bob is offering Montour/Ritchie or something like that that involves Montour...the Leafs really should take it. They add Montour into that line up they are the team to beat. Adding Nylander into that line up doesn't really solve their issues. Like EK going to San Jose...sure it makes them "better" but it's not really what kept them from a cup. It's not the missing piece.

But IF we were to trade for Nylander...wouldn't that then mean WE'D have to sign him, like, immediately, so he doesn't sit for the rest of the year? Or is there some time there? And what if he doesn't want to sign with us? I assume we wouldn't be making a trade without talking to Nylander about whether or not he'd sign.

He has to be under contract by tomorrow so if someone trades for him then they have to sign him by then. I think that the Ducks are out of the running solely due to the long term cap implications of signing Nylander. Kesler, Perry, Henrique and Eaves kind of made to where they don’t have the flexibility to make a deal. You’d have to move montour or Manson + silfverberg just to be seemingly be cap compliant when Perry comes back.

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2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

He has to be under contract by tomorrow so if someone trades for him then they have to sign him by then. I think that the Ducks are out of the running solely due to the long term cap implications of signing Nylander. Kesler, Perry, Henrique and Eaves kind of made to where they don’t have the flexibility to make a deal. You’d have to move montour or Manson + silfverberg just to be seemingly be cap compliant when Perry comes back.

Yeah I mean, I think that would be the idea to get Nylander. But having to have him signed by 5pm ET tomorrow...I mean, that's probably not happening with us...I don't know how fast contracts can get made up and negotiated but I would think it takes longer than 24 hours lol

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3 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

He has to be under contract by tomorrow so if someone trades for him then they have to sign him by then. I think that the Ducks are out of the running solely due to the long term cap implications of signing Nylander. Kesler, Perry, Henrique and Eaves kind of made to where they don’t have the flexibility to make a deal. You’d have to move montour or Manson + silfverberg just to be seemingly be cap compliant when Perry comes back.

If the Ducks would have been able to trade for him a couple of weeks ago and sign him for $7M per year, the estimated first year cap hit was $9.7M. That was from a Sportsnet video posted somewhere on this board. I imagine that first year cap hit has gone up by now. The Ducks would have been stretching things very thin back then so I seriously doubt Murray would wait till the last second now. Honestly, if the Ducks were going to trade for any of the Leafs forwards, Murray should go after Kapanen. 

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1 hour ago, perry_mvp said:

If the Ducks would have been able to trade for him a couple of weeks ago and sign him for $7M per year, the estimated first year cap hit was $9.7M. That was from a Sportsnet video posted somewhere on this board. I imagine that first year cap hit has gone up by now. The Ducks would have been stretching things very thin back then so I seriously doubt Murray would wait till the last second now. Honestly, if the Ducks were going to trade for any of the Leafs forwards, Murray should go after Kapanen. 

I think that the problem isn’t just for this season. The Ducks would have almost no cap room to work with it they got Nylander moving forward. They would have to ship out more money. To me, the Henrique extension was the nail in the coffin for the Ducks being able to make a huge acquisition. Too much money already locked up with older players. I don’t know if Murray or most GM’s anticipated the Nylander situation to get to this point but there’s nothing Murray can really do about it now. I like Kapanen but I’m not sure what I would give up for him. I wouldn’t move Montour for him at this point though.

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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

I think that the problem isn’t just for this season. The Ducks would have almost no cap room to work with it they got Nylander moving forward. They would have to ship out more money. To me, the Henrique extension was the nail in the coffin for the Ducks being able to make a huge acquisition. Too much money already locked up with older players. I don’t know if Murray or most GM’s anticipated the Nylander situation to get to this point but there’s nothing Murray can really do about it now. I like Kapanen but I’m not sure what I would give up for him. I wouldn’t move Montour for him at this point though.

If the Ducks traded for Kapanen today, he would be tied with Getzlaf in points and come in with 10 goals, more than any other Duck. The Ducks need offense desperately since no one besides Getzlaf has been consistent all season. I agree that moving Monty at this point wouldn't be prudent but eventually if might have to happen. If the Leafs do sign Nylander by the Dec. 1st then I think that just makes Kapanen more expendable. Maybe Monty for Kapanen plus whatever else at the deadline.

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4 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

If the Ducks traded for Kapanen today, he would be tied with Getzlaf in points and come in with 10 goals, more than any other Duck. The Ducks need offense desperately since no one besides Getzlaf has been consistent all season. I agree that moving Monty at this point wouldn't be prudent but eventually if might have to happen. If the Leafs do sign Nylander by the Dec. 1st then I think that just makes Kapanen more expendable. Maybe Monty for Kapanen plus whatever else at the deadline.

The Ducks need defense desperately also lol. The most concerning thing about them is how they have been so god awful defensively with an above average top-4 and the collection of two-way forwards that they have. It’s supposed to be their strength and they are getting reamed on almost a nightly basis and have been for a while. If the Ducks are making a move at the deadline then my guess it’s going to be to move silfverberg for some assets. There’s no way I’d want to see this current team in the playoffs and get embarrassed again like last year while also missing out on a chance for a high draft pick.

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