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1 hour ago, HockeyIzCool said:

They just extended Cogs.  I don't think he would go.  Of the 3 you mentioned, Silfverberg would be the most likely.  I can't see them letting go of Manson either.  If they were to shed payroll, they would look elsewhere.

I think the only real reason Cogs was extended was because of the streak and....he was suspended right after he signed it. With the team playing like it is, it might be a hard sell for trading the guys that don't have clauses. Silf could be a trade deadline deal but if the Ducks want something now they need to give up a defenseman. The title of this thread is trouble on the horizon for RC, it should include BM.

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29 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

I think the only real reason Cogs was extended was because of the streak and....he was suspended right after he signed it. With the team playing like it is, it might be a hard sell for trading the guys that don't have clauses. Silf could be a trade deadline deal but if the Ducks want something now they need to give up a defenseman. The title of this thread is trouble on the horizon for RC, it should include BM.

I don't think they deserve to go but they are the only realistic trade options. Kesler, Getzlaf and Perry aren't going anywhere. Neither are Fowler or Lindholm. They want to see what Ritche, Kase and Montour turn into. That leaves Eaves, Silf, Cogs, Manson and the rest of the spare parts. BM said there would be a change of play it's time to prove it. Trade the tradeable assets and force the youth into permanent ice time. Go out and get Nylander and coach Q, and let him start fresh with the kids.

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34 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

I think the only real reason Cogs was extended was because of the streak and....he was suspended right after he signed it. With the team playing like it is, it might be a hard sell for trading the guys that don't have clauses. Silf could be a trade deadline deal but if the Ducks want something now they need to give up a defenseman. The title of this thread is trouble on the horizon for RC, it should include BM.

Cogs is also game in and game out one of the hardest working players on the team. The streak is nice...but he was extended for his work ethic beyond anything else.

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2 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Cogs is also game in and game out one of the hardest working players on the team. The streak is nice...but he was extended for his work ethic beyond anything else.

He was extended for three years which would have been in the time frame for him to break the streak. I don't think anyone including myself is questioning his work ethic but I think the management valued the streak promotion as well. 

 

11 minutes ago, Retire9 said:

Go out and get Nylander and coach Q

Nylander is going to require a pretty good amount of cap space to open up. Bob has about three weeks to sell that to Toronto and the Nylander camp. Like with coach Q, I don't think it's going to happen.

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1 minute ago, perry_mvp said:

He was extended for three years which would have been in the time frame for him to break the streak. I don't think anyone including myself is questioning his work ethic but I think the management valued the streak promotion as well. 

 

Nylander is going to require a pretty good amount of cap space to open up. Bob has about three weeks to sell that to Toronto and the Nylander camp. Like with coach Q, I don't think it's going to happen.

I agree....the most important thing about both of these guys is they will need to WANT to play here. Bob wont be pursuing Nylander unless he knows Nylander will sign with us...which i would think is not happening. And same with Joel Q....just kinda dont get the feeling he'll be looking to coach this sort of aging sort of young not really any giant exciting future (i.e. Kane, or McDavid, or Matthews, or Laine etc... level of player) team we have right now.

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6 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

He was extended for three years which would have been in the time frame for him to break the streak. I don't think anyone including myself is questioning his work ethic but I think the management valued the streak promotion as well. 

 

Nylander is going to require a pretty good amount of cap space to open up. Bob has about three weeks to sell that to Toronto and the Nylander camp. Like with coach Q, I don't think it's going to happen.

I know it won't but it's about time Murry lives up to his promises to change

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Loss last night says alot about the Flaws our Ducks have endure...Being outshot various time is not only unacceptable but SHAMEFUL. IF this continues RC needs to be let go and held accountable. This supposed "New" System is flawed.

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1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:

I agree....the most important thing about both of these guys is they will need to WANT to play here. Bob wont be pursuing Nylander unless he knows Nylander will sign with us...which i would think is not happening. And same with Joel Q....just kinda dont get the feeling he'll be looking to coach this sort of aging sort of young not really any giant exciting future (i.e. Kane, or McDavid, or Matthews, or Laine etc... level of player) team we have right now.

I could see the pro (and cons) for JQ signing most notabley having a vezina worthy goaltender and a young skilled D we do have and older core but also have some nice young pieces too. 

Nylander is a Swede and without fact checking I think we prob have one of the highest Swede counts on the team. So I don’t think the issue will be entirely him not wanting to be here but moreso if Bob can make it work. 

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RC was trying lots of line combos last game. I would love to see these.

Eaves- Getzlaf - Henrique. Eaves is getting stronger and can get to the front of the net. Henrique will be better with better players.

Cogliano - Kesler- Rakell. Cogliano seems snakebite with his shots, but the puck finds him and he can skate and pass. Rakell can get open in the offensive zone.

Ritchie - Lundestrom - Silfverberg. Lundestrom has been a good surprise.

Aberg - Carrick - Sherwood. Carrcik plays with an edge, Sherwood is always moving and Aberg can find the net. 

 

 

 

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Anyone think that if he sensed a sinking ship, Kesler would agree to a trade?  Especially if it was to a contender?  At this point, I would think he wants to win the Cup before his time passes.  If the Ducks are about to fire their coach, perhaps the GM, and need to shed salary, would he agree to a trade for some prospects, which would be a win-win for both?

I don't see how the Ducks save a whole lot of salary by trading guys like Cogliano or Manson?  Though clearly, they both would find takers, since their value outweighs their cost IMO.

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22 minutes ago, HockeyIzCool said:

Anyone think that if he sensed a sinking ship, Kesler would agree to a trade?  Especially if it was to a contender?  At this point, I would think he wants to win the Cup before his time passes.  If the Ducks are about to fire their coach, perhaps the GM, and need to shed salary, would he agree to a trade for some prospects, which would be a win-win for both?

I don't see how the Ducks save a whole lot of salary by trading guys like Cogliano or Manson?  Though clearly, they both would find takers, since their value outweighs their cost IMO.

Maybe a team like Carolina since they don't have much sandpaper in the line-up. It's kind of a hard sell with his hip though. Justin Williams contract is up after this season and Kesler could slide into that leadership role with the Canes. If Kes is traded, I hope it's to the east coast.

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11 hours ago, RobD360 said:

I could see the pro (and cons) for JQ signing most notabley having a vezina worthy goaltender and a young skilled D we do have and older core but also have some nice young pieces too. 

Nylander is a Swede and without fact checking I think we prob have one of the highest Swede counts on the team. So I don’t think the issue will be entirely him not wanting to be here but moreso if Bob can make it work. 

Well that does give me hope...i thought about Gibson being the only real draw, but yeah, our D is pretty desirable. Hmmm...and I didn't think about the swede connection.

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20 hours ago, wataduk said:

The Ducks have added that to the hockey repertoire as in "the Ducks play in the defensive zone is extremely loose." Thus, they are not only losing games but loosing them as well?
That's the best I got.

Well Ducks Defensive Style of Loosing needs to be back prior to this form of Loosing.....Gibson is tired of seeing Hampus,Cam and Monty getting loose.

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14 hours ago, perry_mvp said:

Maybe a team like Carolina since they don't have much sandpaper in the line-up. It's kind of a hard sell with his hip though. Justin Williams contract is up after this season and Kesler could slide into that leadership role with the Canes. If Kes is traded, I hope it's to the east coast.

Assuming Kesler would even agree to a trade, I just can’t see a team actually wanting to trade for him given his contract and health issues. Not to mention that his play has been mediocre at best since his hip surgery. All of the leadership in the world isn’t worth almost $7 mil for 3 more seasons. The Ducks would assuredly have to retain half his salary and give up picks/prospects for a team to take him. My guess is that the only way Kesler doesn’t finish out his contract in Anaheim is if he’s bought out before the Seattle expansion draft.

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49 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Assuming Kesler would even agree to a trade, I just can’t see a team actually wanting to trade for him given his contract and health issues. Not to mention that his play has been mediocre at best since his hip surgery. All of the leadership in the world isn’t worth almost $7 mil for 3 more seasons. The Ducks would assuredly have to retain half his salary and give up picks/prospects for a team to take him. My guess is that the only way Kesler doesn’t finish out his contract in Anaheim is if he’s bought out before the Seattle expansion draft.

The question was thrown out if Kesler didn't think a Cup was possible in Anaheim would he ask for a trade and if so where to. I added that with his hip injury would be kind of a hard sell but a team like Carolina that has the space might be a team that takes a chance. Even if Anaheim retains half of his salary, that's better than his full salary and it also free's up a player that can be protected for the next expansion draft.

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45 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Assuming Kesler would even agree to a trade, I just can’t see a team actually wanting to trade for him given his contract and health issues. Not to mention that his play has been mediocre at best since his hip surgery. All of the leadership in the world isn’t worth almost $7 mil for 3 more seasons. The Ducks would assuredly have to retain half his salary and give up picks/prospects for a team to take him. My guess is that the only way Kesler doesn’t finish out his contract in Anaheim is if he’s bought out before the Seattle expansion draft.

I would buyout Perry before Kesler

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17 hours ago, RobD360 said:

I could see the pro (and cons) for JQ signing most notabley having a vezina worthy goaltender and a young skilled D we do have and older core but also have some nice young pieces too. 

 

I can think of 6 million reasons why the Ducks will never even think about signing Coach Q.


Aim lower ciz it ain't EVER gonna happen.

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16 hours ago, HockeyIzCool said:

Anyone think that if he sensed a sinking ship, Kesler would agree to a trade?

Not a chance.
He'll never get out of his contract for hosting the immortal "Between The Zambonis" hit TV show.

Kes stays!

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1 hour ago, perry_mvp said:

The question was thrown out if Kesler didn't think a Cup was possible in Anaheim would he ask for a trade and if so where to. I added that with his hip injury would be kind of a hard sell but a team like Carolina that has the space might be a team that takes a chance. Even if Anaheim retains half of his salary, that's better than his full salary and it also free's up a player that can be protected for the next expansion draft.

But wouldn't Carolina or any team that trades for Kesler then have to protect him in the expansion draft because of his NMC? I think that they do unless he agrees to waive it for the expansion draft, so I don't know why a team would trade and waste a protection slot on him. Until the Ducks get new coaching and make some roster improvements, a Cup isn't possible in Anaheim but Carolina is also still a ways away from being a contending team. They are also cutting costs and being much more budget conscious under their new owner. The other big hiccup in trading Kesler is that they Ducks would have to throw in sweetners to move him on top of salary retention. Would you give up one of our better prospects just to move half of Kesler's salary? If so, then who? Kesler has a VERY bad contract and team's are not going to do Murray any favors.

45 minutes ago, RobD360 said:

I would buyout Perry before Kesler

That was my thinking until we found out just how bad Kesler's hip was and how his game hasn't recovered since then. Perry is still a 50 point player and if he can have that kind of effectiveness when he returns then I'd keep Perry. He at least can provide some offense and his contract expires a year before Kesler's. As with almost everything else surrounding the team....who knows at this point?

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13 minutes ago, wataduk said:

Not a chance.
He'll never get out of his contract for hosting the immortal "Between The Zambonis" hit TV show.

Kes stays!

He stays if he can get the elusive Corey Perry on the show. Kesler has a better chance of catching a Perry on crutches now.

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3 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

But wouldn't Carolina or any team that trades for Kesler then have to protect him in the expansion draft because of his NMC? I think that they do unless he agrees to waive it for the expansion draft, so I don't know why a team would trade and waste a protection slot on him. Until the Ducks get new coaching and make some roster improvements, a Cup isn't possible in Anaheim but Carolina is also still a ways away from being a contending team. They are also cutting costs and being much more budget conscious under their new owner. The other big hiccup in trading Kesler is that they Ducks would have to thrown in sweetners to move him on top of salary retention. Would you give up one of our better prospects just to move half of Kesler's salary? If so, then who? Kesler has a VERY bad contract and team's are not going to do Murray any favors.

I don't think he''ll be traded or bought out nor do I think Perry will be traded or bought out. Who's going trade for Kesler with a bad hip or Perry with a bum knee? Carolina was just an example that has cap space and MAYBE a need for some grit and leadership in the line up. Could they get grit and leadership at a lower price? Sure they could.

I would say Carolina is better Cup contender at the moment than Anaheim is.

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2 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

I don't think he''ll be traded or bought out nor do I think Perry will be traded or bought out. Who's going trade for Kesler with a bad hip or Perry with a bum knee? Carolina was just an example that has cap space and MAYBE a need for some grit and leadership in the line up. Could they get grit and leadership at a lower price? Sure they could.

I would say Carolina is better Cup contender at the moment than Anaheim is.

I absolutely agree that neither will be traded and that the question is going to be which one gets bought out before the expansion draft. I just think that the certainty is as close to 100% as you can get. Also agree that Carolina is in a better position to contend for a Cup than the Ducks going forward. 

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Scoring has been a problem so far. Our leading point getter right now is Rakell with 12 points in 18 games (yikes). However, S33 has 10pts in 13 games and Getzlaf has 11pts in 12 games so its not like they are completely devoid of offensive skill. 

That said, our leading goal scorer right now is Pontus Aberg and S33 with 5 goals. That is a problem. One of those was a waiver pickup, and the other is playing in a contract year. 

I think this team misses Perry and Kase more than they realize. While Perry isn't going to be a 50 goal scorer ever again, he definitely took pressure of Rakell, and it shows that Ricky misses him with 3 goals in the first 18 games so far. 

I was expecting this to be the breakout season for Kase. Instead, who knows when he comes back.

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6 minutes ago, BlazingEtem said:

Scoring has been a problem so far. Our leading point getter right now is Rakell with 12 points in 18 games (yikes). However, S33 has 10pts in 13 games and Getzlaf has 11pts in 12 games so its not like they are completely devoid of offensive skill. 

That said, our leading goal scorer right now is Pontus Aberg and S33 with 5 goals. That is a problem. One of those was a waiver pickup, and the other is playing in a contract year. 

I think this team misses Perry and Kase more than they realize. While Perry isn't going to be a 50 goal scorer ever again, he definitely took pressure of Rakell, and it shows that Ricky misses him with 3 goals in the first 18 games so far. 

I was expecting this to be the breakout season for Kase. Instead, who knows when he comes back.

Per Eric Stephens, baring a setback, Kase should make his season debut tomorrow. 

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4 hours ago, RobD360 said:

I would buyout Perry before Kesler

Nobody is going to take Perry at least until he is off the injured list.  And even then, he'll have to get back up to speed before someone will take a chance on him.  If the Ducks are going to start shedding salary, they're not going to want to wait 4 more months until the deadline.

Perry is going to get less in return than even a post-hip surgery Kesler.  His game has diminished, and not worth his salary.  Also, Perry is much more joined at the hip with Getzlaf, and I think that would create more friction both within the team and with the fans than a Kesler trade would.

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3 hours ago, HockeyIzCool said:

Nobody is going to take Perry at least until he is off the injured list.  And even then, he'll have to get back up to speed before someone will take a chance on him.  If the Ducks are going to start shedding salary, they're not going to want to wait 4 more months until the deadline.

Perry is going to get less in return than even a post-hip surgery Kesler.  His game has diminished, and not worth his salary.  Also, Perry is much more joined at the hip with Getzlaf, and I think that would create more friction both within the team and with the fans than a Kesler trade would.

He has a no trade clause. So trading him will prob not happen, hence the buyout. 

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4 minutes ago, RobD360 said:

He has a no trade clause. So trading him will prob not happen, hence the buyout. 

A buyout of Perry will not happen either so its a mute point.

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7 hours ago, wataduk said:

I can think of 6 million reasons why the Ducks will never even think about signing Coach Q.


Aim lower ciz it ain't EVER gonna happen.

We wouldn't go from $4 mil to 6?  Like $2 mil is some huge increase?  We've wasted that much when taking shots on reconstruction projects.

I don't understand the certainty here.

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Speaking of Perry, I can picture him stuck on the couch watching this team fail at hockey every night and blowing up GMBM's phone like "Hey Bob, tell Carlyle he's gonna get it. You better tell him. Hey Bob, you better tell him. You're gonna get it too."

All I know is someone needs to get got.

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2 hours ago, gotchabari said:

We wouldn't go from $4 mil to 6?  Like $2 mil is some huge increase?  We've wasted that much when taking shots on reconstruction projects.

I don't understand the certainty here.

Whoa, wait a second. Are you telling me that RC is making 4 mil a year?
I honestly have no idea what he is making but assumed it was around 2 mil.
Where did you find his salary? I googled to no avail.
 

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