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23 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

She's not going anywhere...   He has a 50% chance of being on the road :D

If she stays in SoCal, he now has a 100% chance of being on the road.

Also, if he stayed with the Ducks, he would have played 13 of the final 19 games this season in SoCal, with a day trip to Arizona mixed in. 

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1 minute ago, dtsdlaw said:

If she stays in SoCal, he now has a 100% chance of being on the road.

Also, if he stayed with the Ducks, he would have played 13 of the final 19 games this season in SoCal, with a day trip to Arizona mixed in. 

that's all good, but rarely is this stuff part of a trade criteria.

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4 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

The after game interviews are set in advance for sure. The players are rotated.  So Cogs was probably already set before the game even started and I doubt Frenchy knew anything about the trade.

I was thinking more in game between periods when I posted. Frenchy usually sets those up based on who has done well.
 

Well that's an amazing coincidence then. Frenchy somehow always ends up talking to the guy who had a solid night on the score sheet and never the guy who was a -3 or was embarrassed for the game-losing goal.

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18 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

They could have just as easily sent Rowney out to speak with Frenchy after his 3-point night. Why send Cogs to face the questions after their 11th straight loss, knowing that he is about to be traded?

They prob didn’t want to make Cogs suspicious. It could have then gone something like this>>>>

***Frenchys assistant goes and grabs Cogs

Frenchy: “oh no no no. Not him... ‘definitely’ not him (as he eyes Cogs strangely). Go grab Rowney instead”

 Cogs to himself: hmmm. My Cogli-senses are tingling. That was sure weird. Something is going down. 

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Just now, dtsdlaw said:

Well that's an amazing coincidence then. Frenchy somehow always ends up talking to the guy who had a solid night on the score sheet and never the guy who was a -3 or was embarrassed for the game-losing goal.

ok, I'm going to say they use to be.  I remember the days when the post game interview were at the national sports grill, and I was told that the players rotated during the season.  

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13 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

ok, I'm going to say they use to be.  I remember the days when the post game interview were at the national sports grill, and I was told that the players rotated during the season.  

I should also correct myself. It was the interview with Jill, not Frenchy. I think Frenchy gets more interviews in the locker room with guys standing in front of their lockers, but usually when Jill has a guy post-game in front of the Ducks banner, it has a more "official team spokesman" aspect to it. That's what bugs me about this interview knowing what we know now:

https://www.foxsports.com/west/video/1425155139852

 

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12 minutes ago, Fisix said:

Post game radio interviews in Jack Daniels are scheduled latest the week of the game.  Those schedules change and interviews are reassigned as people become unavailable, or the team requires players to be in the locker room for post game yelling.  Most of the time the planned series generally stays the same.

Pregame television interviews are scheduled day of or a little earlier, but enough to give the player a heads up that they should skate to the bench during warmups for a chat.

Inter-period and 3-stars post game TV interviews are set up during the preceding period, though sometimes day of (e.g., earlier) if special circumstances (new trade, first period back after injury, etc.).  Post game lineup of TV player interviews is loosely scheduled during the game, but is subject to player availability/desire and special circumstances, and if super special circumstances, can be pre-arranged days prior (like playoff hockey, NBCSN requests certain players be made available).

Coach post game TV interviews are supposed to be mandatory, every game.

The team is supposed to loosely manage the radio and TV "face time" so that all the players who want it can get at least some, and all the players that people ask for get interviewed eventually.

There's a chance that Cogs was rotated in on purpose, but I don't think vindictively.  I think it's more likely that the trade was secret from those that were arranging the interviews, and it was Cog's time based on his game performance.

People keep talking like the Cogs interview was something special.  I haven't seen it yet, but was it not just the typical hockey interview?  Frenchie has been known to ask good questions time to time, but most of them are softballs, especially when the team is on a slide.

The above is based on 1-1 conversations with Jill, Kent, Hazy, Steve, Kerdiles' mom, and (wow, just sort of counted up) somewhere around 2 decades of games, a lot of home games watched live.  I didn't pound them with questions on this topic, but for the broadcasters, I did ask about how they chose their interviews.

Did I mention that I don't really like the guy they got to replace Kent Walls?  Wishing Dawn a speeder recovery.

Great info! Thanks Fisix!

The first bolded seems to suggest that Cogs was probably chosen for the interview during the game, possibly just because he scored. Ritchie gave the interview after the Pittsburgh game after scoring the opening goal in that game. Just browsing the Fox Sports video list, I also see Fowler interviewed post-game after his first game back and Getzlaf interviewed post-game after the 2-1 OT loss to Tampa (he played pretty well that night) but other than those four guys I don't see a player interview - again, I'm talking the interviews in front of the team banner on FSW, not locker room interviews - posted since the streak started. All the rest of the post-game videos on the Fox Sports website are Carlyle interviews. So at least for the Fox Sports broadcast post-game interviews, I don't see much of a rotation going on.

Question on the second bolded - RC obviously knew the trade was in the works ahead of time. Would he not have had some say in who goes out for an interview after loss #11? Especially since he is also supposed to make himself available for an interview after each game? I also don't think he gave one after the Winnipeg game (after calling that reporter a "jerk" following loss #10 to Pittsburgh), so arguably Cogs was taking the coach's place in the post-game interview slot. 

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4 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:

Anyone else find it interesting that Cogliano thanked the Samuelis (by name), his teammates, and us fans, but not the coaches or front office? In his interview this morning with Dallas media about how he found out about the trade, he also didn't refer to GMBM by name:

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-stars/stars/2019/01/15/forward-andrew-cogliano-joins-stars-after-trade-anaheim-think-could-used-change-honest

I also think it's weird that the team sent Cogs out to do the post-game interview with Frenchy after the last game, knowing already that a trade was imminent (or may have already been done). Why would they do that?

It also seems like a brutal time for a trade since Cogliano's wife is due to give birth in about a month. Given that this trade was a 1-for-1 lateral move that didn't bring back a player with a different skill set or fill an urgent need on the team, and that GMBM doesn't think this team is going to go anywhere in the playoffs anyway, the timing of the trade seems especially harsh. Almost vindictive even. Can't help but wonder if there's some bad blood there between Cogs and GMBM for some reason.

 

I don't think there is any bad blood given that they have negotiated multiple contracts pretty smoothly, and quite recently.

My theory is that BM wanted to send a message to the dressing room, and that Cogs was the perfect person to do so given his stature. I'm sure if that was the case, Cogs wouldn't be happy.

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I think the thing that really hurts the most is that obviously we all want to be a competitive team and win the cup. And we all wanted to do that with Cogliano in the line-up. And now we can't. It would have been such an incredibly sight to see, I'm sure...Cogs lifting up the Cup in a Ducks jersey. After all the crap he's been through. The streak. And the hard work. It would show that truly being the hardest working player in the league does pay off. Now...we can't have that. It'll still be good to see him lift it, even if it's with the Stars. But it's not the same.

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1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:

It'll still be good to see him lift it, even if it's with the Stars. But it's not the same.

The Stars don't exactly look like they're much closer to winning the Cup than the Ducks are right now.

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45 minutes ago, HockeyIzCool said:

The Stars don't exactly look like they're much closer to winning the Cup than the Ducks are right now.

*or any team that he happens to be on during his career that isn't the Ducks.

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I realize personal issues aren't a factor in trades, perhaps an argument for another day.  But it's mighty Cold to trade a player to another state, just before his wife is about to give birth.  They may have had a plan to induce labor during the long break the Ducks have at the end of this month.  Just seems like a D&*K move by management.

So he signs an extension last year, then finds out he may miss his child's birth.....and to add final insult to injury, learns that he'll have to change his # for the first time in his career since Dallas retired #7.  I wouldn't blame him if he had a low opinion of this organization after his years of commitment.

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Much can be said about the Trade. Let's Give Shore a Chance. I am sure he will be eager to prove himself to all Ducks Fans at the Ponda...Agree Everyone. BTW if you ask me I believe our Ducks will make the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

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On 1/15/2019 at 4:10 PM, Fisix said:

If there wasn't before, there probably is now. 

Mommies tend not to want to leave their comfort doctors in the last month of pregnancy... and i forget, but there's also some kind of general, possibly informal, flight restrictions.  She ain't taking a bus out there.  Yeah, pretty harsh.  

For what he is getting paid she can take a Net-Jet or some other private jet .No problem .  B)

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On 1/19/2019 at 10:56 PM, Fowl said:

Cogs losing streak is over.  Dallas 4, Winnepeg 2

Good for him...

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Still bitter.

Yes, the team got a brief kick in the butt and won a couple games. But those post game interviews from that last game. Every one looks defeated and dead inside.

Apparently intangibles is a thing.

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On 1/14/2019 at 9:41 AM, JiggyToTheCup said:

I understand all of this for sure.   Don't really agree with "creating opportunities for others" though.  He has been snake bit for 2-3 years now.

Can't let the inmates run the asylum.  I'm sure this was a very hard trade to make knowing the backlash that would happen.

Oh, and see you after the next game.

Yeah, but no...

I've tried, but I can't.  Checking back in after this break to officially say bye for a while.  Sent in my SSH cancellation this morning.

Maybe after time I'll get back into GDT or something, but really my heart is nowhere near supporting the organization at this point.  No one in management is saying a darn thing, they're INCREASING prices, and the biggest trade they made was the one guy that was at least fun to watch hustle every night.  Having already been bitter about the way they screwed him last year, I just think there is a character issue in ownership and management that I can't ignore.  "It's just business" is something I expect from the Kings, not the Ducks.  There was at least the external appearance of family before that just isn't there anymore.

I think I'll make it to a couple games in March, but that will be it.  It's been a good run!

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Well, I was opposed to the Cogliano trade, but in hindsight, look how much improved the team is without him.  Clearly he was a big part of the problem this season, and we're playing so much better since Shore arrived.  Bob Murray truly is a genius.

Sorry for the sarcasm.  I wish Cogs well in Dallas.  I think he lost some of his mojo when they made him change from #7, hence the injury.

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1 hour ago, HockeyIzCool said:

Well, I was opposed to the Cogliano trade, but in hindsight, look how much improved the team is without him.  Clearly he was a big part of the problem this season, and we're playing so much better since Shore arrived.  Bob Murray truly is a genius.

Sorry for the sarcasm.  I wish Cogs well in Dallas.  I think he lost some of his mojo when they made him change from #7, hence the injury.

Should have been a stipulation that no #7, no cogs! We can find other teams willing to give him that number! 

Dallas should have paid double to not be able to give it to him... terrible 

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Shore: 12pts in 34 games with the Ducks.

Cogs: 6pts in 31 games with the Stars.

I know trading Cogs was emotional for many, but not sure how one can argue that this wasn't a good trade. Not to mention Shore is 24 and has 1 more remaining on his current deal before he even hits his 2nd RFA status. I don't know if Shore is ever going to be considered a core piece on any team, but it's hard to argue that this wasn't a net positive for the Ducks.

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Ben Bishop just now crediting the TDL additions of Cogliano and Zuccarello for being the reason the Stars turned their season around, saying they brought experience and maturity to the team.

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16 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:

Ben Bishop just now crediting the TDL additions of Cogliano and Zuccarello for being the reason the Stars turned their season around, saying they brought experience and maturity to the team.

Cogliano was not a TDL deal.  He was traded long before then.

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