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This is making me a little nervous. Faulk isn’t worth a long-term extension at $7m or more per year, and on top of that he’s going to cost assets in a trade. 

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1 hour ago, Spencer_12 said:

This is making me a little nervous. Faulk isn’t worth a long-term extension at $7m or more per year, and on top of that he’s going to cost assets in a trade. 

I don't know Faulk....but I can't imagine he's worth losing Kase over....I could see BM looking at it as a "trading a 7th rounder with some injury history for a solid top-4 RHD is worth it" I mean, a player with concession (whoops! autocorrect, meant concussion...not talking Ritchie here :P ) history is a liability...especially a small player that plays with the speed and intensity and isn't afraid to go in the tough areas like kase...I mean...from that perspective I could see where BM would think this is a worthwhile risk...but I dunno....Kase has what this team needs...

 

2 hours ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

He'd be on our top-4 and likely paired with Fowler. As mentioned above, they played together in the Olympics. He's a right-handed shot that can QB the PP which Murray has specifically mentioned as a top need for the team.

Pesce would have been my preference, too. I guess Faulk being a UFA next season and commanding more term, money while being older than Pesce makes him the most likely guy to be shipped out of Carolina. The length and the term of his contract make a little nervous (especially at 6.5 -7 mil per) but even more so is what we would have to give up for him. If Carolina is asking for a first-round pick and a prospect like Jones, Comtois or Terry, then I think it's a step backwards in the long-term. Sprong + 2nd round pick then I'd be absolutely fine with it lol

yeah, same haha

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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

FFS

Well, if his 15-team list doesn't already include the Ducks....what would change now? I guess extension talks? But why extend with a team that's not on his list? The best thing I could see enticing him is that he'd get away from the real Hurricanes lol....and maybe BM is really pushing that Laine rumor :P

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3 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:

Reposting my comment from June in the Coach/Lines 2019-20 thread here: 

I was hoping for Pesce, but if GMBM can get the NTC waived and a reasonably-priced extension in place, Faulk makes a ton of sense for Anaheim. He and Fowler were also both on the US Olympic team together in 2014, and though I don't remember them playing together, you'd assume that they at least got to know each other a little during that experience, so they could make for a solid pairing. The main concern is the next contract though. Trouba's 7 x $8M has re-calibrated the market for RHDs who can score. I want Faulk, but not for $8M/season. Probably not even $7M/season.

From memory I'm pretty sure they were paired together at the Olympics and looked solid together.

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3 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:

Justin Faulk? Hm... $6 mil salary, and next season he'll demand more. It means forget about slim chances of pursuing Patrick Laine or Mitch Marner. The Ducks have a lot of good players, but no true FRANCHISE player, for the first time since inaugural 1993 season. It bothers me.

Uh, Gibson?

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17 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Well, if his 15-team list doesn't already include the Ducks....what would change now? I guess extension talks? But why extend with a team that's not on his list? The best thing I could see enticing him is that he'd get away from the real Hurricanes lol....and maybe BM is really pushing that Laine rumor :P

My understanding is that players usually designate their NTC teams at the start of each season (please someone correct me if I have that wrong) and, if true, maybe Friedman has Faulk's 15-team NTC list was submitted to management last October when RC was still here.

Edit: Actually, the more I read the more it sounds like that list is submitted on July 1st. I'm also reading that most players put teams in places with the highest tax rates on their NTC lists so that they won't get screwed out of any $$$ by a trade. That said, I'm sure Faulk and his agent would take California's tax rate into consideration when negotiating an extension (which would probably be required by GMBM before making a deal).

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1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

FFS

I also heard Kase was the target from another source this afternoon. Sounds like he's the guy. Which I don't like.

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7 minutes ago, Pazonator said:

I’ll be pretty upset if Kase is traded. He is the spark plug the team needs. 

His possession stats are great. Kase drives offense unlike most of the forwards on this team. The one worry is likely his injury history - if Kase gets another concussion this season his career could be in jeopardy. Not to mention his trade value would go way down.

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5 minutes ago, nieder said:

His possession stats are great. Kase drives offense unlike most of the forwards on this team. The one worry is likely his injury history - if Kase gets another concussion this season his career could be in jeopardy. Not to mention his trade value would go way down.

I would honestly prefer to trade Terry over trading Kase.

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3 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:

Justin Faulk? Hm... $6 mil salary, and next season he'll demand more. It means forget about slim chances of pursuing Patrick Laine or Mitch Marner. The Ducks have a lot of good players, but no true FRANCHISE player, for the first time since inaugural 1993 season. It bothers me.

What's different from last season? Aside from Perry being gone? And Perry hasn't been a franchise player since 2015-16. 

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14 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Well, if his 15-team list doesn't already include the Ducks....what would change now? I guess extension talks? But why extend with a team that's not on his list? The best thing I could see enticing him is that he'd get away from the real Hurricanes lol....and maybe BM is really pushing that Laine rumor :P

Yeah, I think the only thing that would change it is if the Ducks offer him more money/term than he thinks he could get as a UFA next year. He also has to want to come to Anaheim while we are rebuilding. Those things drive up the cost of his contract and Faulk has all of the leverage. I can see him getting Cam Fowler type money (6.5 mil per) before he even plays a game with the Ducks. When was the last time Murray did something like that? He'd have to be so high (figuratively, and possible literally) to have that much faith Faulk while also trading Kase in the process.

2 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

My understanding is that players usually designate their NTC teams at the start of each season (please someone correct me if I have that wrong) and, if true, maybe Friedman has Faulk's 15-team NTC list was submitted to management last October when RC was still here.

Yeah, that's usually how it's done. Though, I'm not sure when Faulk submitted his most recent 15-team list.

9 minutes ago, nieder said:

His possession stats are great. Kase drives offense unlike most of the forwards on this team. The one worry is likely his injury history - if Kase gets another concussion this season his career could be in jeopardy. Not to mention his trade value would go way down.

I think that the Athletic ranked Kase as being the #1 breakout candidate of the entire NHL this season. He's an analytics favorite and after Rakell, the best and most versatile goal scorer on the Ducks. Murray is plugging a huge hole on the RHD and creating another huge one in the goal scoring department which we are one if not the worst teams in the NHL. If he does get moved, then watch him put up 30-goals a la Palmieri 

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24 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

My understanding is that players usually designate their NTC teams at the start of each season (please someone correct me if I have that wrong) and, if true, maybe Friedman has Faulk's 15-team NTC list was submitted to management last October when RC was still here.

Edit: Actually, the more I read the more it sounds like that list is submitted on July 1st. I'm also reading that most players put teams in places with the highest tax rates on their NTC lists so that they won't get screwed out of any $$$ by a trade. That said, I'm sure Faulk and his agent would take California's tax rate into consideration when negotiating an extension (which would probably be required by GMBM before making a deal).

ohhhh fascinating. i guess i never thought they would prioritize something like that, but it makes a lot of sense. i'm sure most of these guys want to just play the sport they grew up loving and want to get paid well for it and couldn't really careless what the team is at this point...unless it's like a true basement dweller like....Ottawa....or if they just want to get that stanley cup...

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2 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

Yeah, I think the only thing that would change it is if the Ducks offer him more money/term than he thinks he could get as a UFA next year. He also has to want to come to Anaheim while we are rebuilding. Those things drive up the cost of his contract and Faulk has all of the leverage. I can see him getting Cam Fowler type money (6.5 mil per) before he even plays a game with the Ducks. When was the last time Murray did something like that? He'd have to be so high (figuratively, and possible literally) to have that much faith Faulk while also trading Kase in the process.

Yeah, that's usually how it's done. Though, I'm not sure when Faulk submitted his most recent 15-team list.

I think that the Athletic ranked Kase as being the #1 breakout candidate of the entire NHL this season. He's an analytics favorite and after Rakell, the best and most versatile goal scorer on the Ducks. Murray is plugging a huge hole on the RHD and creating another huge one in the goal scoring department which we are one if not the worst teams in the NHL. If he does get moved, then watch him put up 30-goals a la Palmieri 

yeah, i see, i see...i really hope we don't lose Kase...in any way. injury or trade. he excelled even with the heavy sandbags of the RC system (or whatever was going on last year)...he still flourished.

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4 hours ago, FanSince1993 said:

Justin Faulk? Hm... $6 mil salary, and next season he'll demand more. It means forget about slim chances of pursuing Patrick Laine or Mitch Marner. The Ducks have a lot of good players, but no true FRANCHISE player, for the first time since inaugural 1993 season. It bothers me.

I don't think the Ducks have any chance of getting Laine unless Selanne were to get involved. ONE MORE YEAR! 😎

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Faulk is good but I really don't like the idea of moving Kase for him. He's easily the most fun player we have right now. I want to see what he can do with a new system before exploring trade options. I think his injury troubles have a lot to do with him being one of the only forwards under Carlyle who was constantly willing to skate the puck in himself making him an easy target. Give him a more structured environment and I feel like he'd be a lot more durable. 

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5 hours ago, Jasoaks said:

yeah, i see, i see...i really hope we don't lose Kase...in any way. injury or trade. he excelled even with the heavy sandbags of the RC system (or whatever was going on last year)...he still flourished.

I have a hard time believing Kase would be moved for a pending UFA. If we look to the Trouba trade for comparison, it’s probably something more like Larsson + Sprong + conditional 2nd.

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 I love me some Kase. He's a joy to watch and he can be a difference maker but his injury history is really concerning. If BM trades him and Kase stays healthy we'll be on the losing end of a lot of trades (including the rumored Faulk one). Everybody will be mad at BM (rightfully so). But if BM keeps Kase and he becomes the next Patrick Eaves we'll regret it too. Tough spot.

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8 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:

I have a hard time believing Kase would be moved for a pending UFA. If we look to the Trouba trade for comparison, it’s probably something more like Larsson + Sprong + conditional 2nd.

You give me hope!! I'd take that trade for sure!

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51 minutes ago, Fisix said:

the rebuild will eventually incur some pain, just FYI.

either we don't protect him well enough, or Kase is injury prone (style or otherwise).  i've had Kase on my likely to trade list for a while, as long as something good comes our way. 

for me, Rakell also factors in.  if his spring has been poor, then Kase's upside is more important, and this potential trade less of a step forward.  

 

Maybe I'm biased and too hopeful and crazy...but I was looking at Kase as the 17-18 William Karlsson of the 19-20 season. A crazy good break-out year that is probably going to be unsustainable as a career, and then a drop off the next year as he comes back down to earth...but his 19-20 season is going to be EPIC

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I would not like losing Kase, but if the Ducks can land Faulk with a contract extension already in place than it would worth it. Kase's injury could take away that fearlessness that made him so effective. If there is no extension then  Murray would be an idiot to trade anything more than prospects or picks.

If the Ducks  do acquire Faulk with a multi year deal in place the question becomes which current defenseman is left unprotected at the Seattle expansion draft. Most likely Manson but with Murray you never know.

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4 minutes ago, Shadowduck said:

I would not like losing Kase, but if the Ducks can land Faulk with a contract extension already in place than it would worth it. Kase's injury could take away that fearlessness that made him so effective. If there is no extension then  Murray would be an idiot to trade anything more than prospects or picks.

If the Ducks  do acquire Faulk with a multi year deal in place the question becomes which current defenseman is left unprotected at the Seattle expansion draft. Most likely Manson but with Murray you never know.

Who knows I am hearing news of that too...IF the Ducks do pursue Faulk...I think they will swing a deal with Seattle team once they start doing business.

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54 minutes ago, Shadowduck said:

I would not like losing Kase, but if the Ducks can land Faulk with a contract extension already in place than it would worth it. Kase's injury could take away that fearlessness that made him so effective. If there is no extension then  Murray would be an idiot to trade anything more than prospects or picks.

If the Ducks  do acquire Faulk with a multi year deal in place the question becomes which current defenseman is left unprotected at the Seattle expansion draft. Most likely Manson but with Murray you never know.

I would leave Fowler unprotected. Nobody would take him anyways given his contract and poor performance in recent years.

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20 minutes ago, FanSince1993 said:

I would leave Fowler unprotected. Nobody would take him anyways given his contract and poor performance in recent years.

I'm not as done on Fowler...but he's treading on thin ice on a short leash with me this season...willing to give RC the reason for his play...want to see him go to a new level...a level I feel we've gotten rare flashes of.

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1 hour ago, Shadowduck said:

I would not like losing Kase, but if the Ducks can land Faulk with a contract extension already in place than it would worth it. Kase's injury could take away that fearlessness that made him so effective. If there is no extension then  Murray would be an idiot to trade anything more than prospects or picks.

If the Ducks  do acquire Faulk with a multi year deal in place the question becomes which current defenseman is left unprotected at the Seattle expansion draft. Most likely Manson but with Murray you never know.

I can't really see a torn labrum in his shoulder having that effect. Getting driven into the boards head-first by Jaret Stoll, yes.  This injury, not so much.

Sounds like its pretty much the same injury that Hamper and Vats had during the playoffs in the 2017 playoffs. Also, while doing a little internet surfing I came across this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26999506

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RESULTS:
Eleven NHL Players (13 shoulders) were included in the study. The average follow-up was 19.4 months (12.7-37 months, SD 7.4) and average age was 29 years (20-36, SD 5.1). Of the 13 shoulders, there were various types of labral tears including three Bankart tears, three superior (SLAP) tears, two posterior tears, three combined anterior/posterior tears, and two panlabral tears. All 11 players returned to play (RTP) after surgery at an average time of 4.3 months. There were no significant differences between time to RTP for players with dominant-sided injuries (4.2 months) and non-dominant injuries (4.6 months), p = 0.632. Five players had increased time-on-ice (TOI) and five players had decreased TOI after surgery, though this difference was not significant (p = 0.3804). On average, the shots on goal per game played (SOG/GP) decreased by 0.13 after surgery which was not significantly different (p = 0.149). There were no post-operative complications observed.

CONCLUSION:
Professional ice hockey players can safely return to full competition at an average of 4.3 months after arthroscopic shoulder labral repair without significant decline in player performance.

 

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