2020 Playoffs

[Jasoaks 2,020]

3 minutes ago, Fisix said:

they can still steal defeat from the jaws of success... still a game Sunday I think.

Yeah, that's the game 5...winner moves on. Kinda crazy that 5 of the 6 games today eliminated teams. ...if CBJ wins on Sunday it would basically have meant that the NHL COULD have just done a best of 3 like they originally proposed.

[PetrSykora 12,654]

4 hours ago, gorbachav5 said:

Here comes an Edmonton lottery win.

I posted this in the rumors section, but, when Edmonton inevitably wins the lottery, what do you think:

Gibson + Boston's 1st for the 1st overall

The more I think about it, the more I like it. The thought of Gibson in an Oilers sweater is a little gross. Still, Mike Smith (surprisingly?) wasn't the problem in Edmonton so I'm not too worried on that end. I'd want to take Byfield with the #1 pick over Lafreniere though. The guy has Nextlaf written all over him even if the immediate payoff wouldn't be the same. Not the biggest deal since this team would be borderline unwatchable without Gibson for the next couple of seasons the same way they would've been since 2017-18. 

[Jasoaks 2,020]

wait wait wait...does Minnesota own Pittsburgh first round pick??????

woah, wait...and did New Jersey own BOTH Arizona's AND Vancouvers??? And Ottawa owned the Islanders...and Carolina owns Torontos...and ironically the rangers owned Carolina's haha so if the rangers won, theyd still be in the running for the top pick...

wow...man, sucks for NJ and Ottawa lol but happy to see Pttsburgh can't get it...

oh...unless it's top-3 protected or something......

Edited August 9, 2020 by Jasoaks

[gorbachav5 5,875]

On 8/7/2020 at 11:04 PM, PetrSykora said:

The more I think about it, the more I like it. The thought of Gibson in an Oilers sweater is a little gross. Still, Mike Smith (surprisingly?) wasn't the problem in Edmonton so I'm not too worried on that end. I'd want to take Byfield with the #1 pick over Lafreniere though. The guy has Nextlaf written all over him even if the immediate payoff wouldn't be the same. Not the biggest deal since this team would be borderline unwatchable without Gibson for the next couple of seasons the same way they would've been since 2017-18. 

If the issue is watchability, I think the team will be borderline unwatchable even WITH Gibson.  I love Gibson, but I enjoy him most when he makes that big save to bail the team out of a game they're playing well in.  Just as I don't enjoy watching someone get shot by a firing squad, I don't enjoy watching teams pepper Gibson's body with shots.  Gibson will definitely keep the Ducks close in games they have no business being in, but that doesn't make me excited to watch a Ducks game.

Yes, they will definitely lose more without Gibson, but I would be happier to lose games 6 - 4 than 3 - 1.  And if Dostal keeps progressing, he might be ready to be the Ducks' full-time goalie in a two - three years when they're ready to be competitive again.

[Jasoaks 2,020]

At this point...I'd only be happy with Florida winning the draft lottery....

It's the only thing that can right this wrong that is the 2020 nhl draft...

Reason being in the original lottery, "Qualifying Team E" won the #1 pick...so, it doesn't matter how CBJ/TOR do, Florida sits in that "Qualifying Team E" slot now. That would at least essentially mean the 2nd lottery didn't REALLY have to happen.

[Fisix 1,635]

man, i haven't watched Toronto much before, just drips and drabs.... they're a team with 1000 great ideas every play, but each player has ideas that are somehow completely orthogonal to all the ideas of his linemates, 99% of the time.

it's 50% keystone cops, self-inflicted.  another 30% lack of rhythm, and 15% unpracticed team-execution.  and the other 5% is when they finally get it together and score.

it's devastating when you think about how much money they're spending. 

[PetrSykora 12,654]

Leafs giving me serious game 7 Ducks vibes right now. Starring John Tavares as Ryan Kesler with the 500 A+ chances he's had so far but couldn't get past a Finnish goalie playing over his head/the post

[Jasoaks 2,020]

22 minutes ago, PetrSykora said:

Leafs giving me serious game 7 Ducks vibes right now. Starring John Tavares as Ryan Kesler with the 500 A+ chances he's had so far but couldn't get past a Finnish goalie playing over his head/the post

Oh yeah. Absolutely. JT is in his own head...you can tell. He's overthinking. I can't remember exactly what the play was, but it was an extra pass or something he did in the first couple of minutes that then turned the puck over...it didn't look good. If he (and the leafs) just simplify their game, they will score.

[Jasoaks 2,020]

Leafs just got outcoached...sure JT didn't bury that one shot, but that was early in the game.

Also, damn I'm fully onboard with Marner. Matthews needs to step up his work ethic...he just seems to pick and choose when he wants to put in an effort.

Feel sad for Freddie 😕

Excited to see a Columbus / Tampa rematch!!

[Fisix 1,635]

Possession, Positioning, and Passing.  The Leafs suck or at least don't think straight on all three.

We've been lucky with Getz for so long - he's an expert on Positioning and Passing, and i think he's taught some of the youngers.  we've had clear issues with possession (see overtime), but at least it's on our radar.  

i fear Toronto really hasn't figured out a themed training to address their issues... their most expensive players haven't figured it out, and they either aren't listening to those that know, or they don't have anyone on the team that does know.

such a waste of talent.  i hope we DON'T trade for Nylander, but I hope we work out a trade with them.  Frankly, they should be begging us for Getz, cause he'd set them straight.  It should be Mitch for Getz, maybe a D man, and they ship us some draft picks.

oh, and they should hire Gallant (unless there's some weird morality clause thing that figured in Vegas kicking him to the curb - still the weirdest coach firing this season).

[Fisix 1,635]

7 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Leafs just got outcoached...sure JT didn't bury that one shot, but that was early in the game.

Also, damn I'm fully onboard with Marner. Matthews needs to step up his work ethic...he just seems to pick and choose when he wants to put in an effort.

Feel sad for Freddie 😕

Excited to see a Columbus / Tampa rematch!!

i'm still piddleed they blamed the second goal on Freddie.  team completely screwed him on that.  matthews needs to shave the thinning hair and that horrible looking porn stache and start being serious.  maybe they ruined him with the $10M contract.

[Sexlaf15 3,104]

That was Freddie Anderson straight out of 2015, which still haunts me. 

[Sexlaf15 3,104]

Time to snag Kapanen and Nylander for 1 slightly used Manson?

[Jasoaks 2,020]

8 minutes ago, Fisix said:

we've had clear issues with possession (see overtime), but at least it's on our radar.  

This just made me think about that amazing 3-on-3 OT where we bored the Oilers to death...oh my god, thats still one of my favorite recent Ducks moments....

7 minutes ago, Fisix said:

i'm still piddleed they blamed the second goal on Freddie.  team completely screwed him on that.  matthews needs to shave the thinning hair and that horrible looking porn stache and start being serious.  maybe they ruined him with the $10M contract.

Yep, same. But I mean, that's still a bad goal for Freddie to give up, but like what a TERRIBLE line change...yeah, I just get the sense Matthews is more about the life style than the game. Which is a shame...he could be a beast.

I'd still take Nylander. He's got a lot of talent and with Getz as a captain, he could shape up.

Torts knew exactly how to kill that Leafs team...the fact that the 3rd highest scoring team in the league got shutout twice in 5 games...AND basically went an entire other game without scoring any goals except for like 5 minutes...that's really saying something about the BJs system.

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6 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

This just made me think about that amazing 3-on-3 OT where we bored the Oilers to death...oh my god, thats still one of my favorite recent Ducks moments....

Yep, same. But I mean, that's still a bad goal for Freddie to give up, but like what a TERRIBLE line change...yeah, I just get the sense Matthews is more about the life style than the game. Which is a shame...he could be a beast.

I'd still take Nylander. He's got a lot of talent and with Getz as a captain, he could shape up.

Torts knew exactly how to kill that Leafs team...the fact that the 3rd highest scoring team in the league got shutout twice in 5 games...AND basically went an entire other game without scoring any goals except for like 5 minutes...that's really saying something about the BJs system.

I’d kill for a coach like Torts. 
freddie has always been good for at least 1 badly timed softy. Of course you gotta score, but Toronto was all over the BJ’s back breaking to give up a weak goal in that spot.  

[PetrSykora 12,654]

Ehh, first round matchups don't look all that intriguing on the surface. Dallas vs. Calgary is most likely going to be the annual first round gongshow series. Boston vs. Carolina should be good too I guess. I'd say the same for New York vs. Washington but I'm already picturing Islander players getting sent to the hospital after receiving leaping elbows to the head and being unable to rejoin the team in time for a critical game because of quarantine requirements. 

[Jasoaks 2,020]

1 hour ago, PetrSykora said:

Ehh, first round matchups don't look all that intriguing on the surface. Dallas vs. Calgary is most likely going to be the annual first round gongshow series. Boston vs. Carolina should be good too I guess. I'd say the same for New York vs. Washington but I'm already picturing Islander players getting sent to the hospital after receiving leaping elbows to the head and being unable to rejoin the team in time for a critical game because of quarantine requirements. 

Tampa and Columbus could be interesting due to the upset last season...

Also I think Boston vs. Carolina will be good, too, yeah. I think that might go to 7...Canes looked very good in that opening round...and Boston is so stacked. Nothing in the west is really interesting except the Knights/Hawks...and Dallas/Calgary...mostly just for Perry and Cogs, though. Perry vs. Tkachuk could be interesting....

[gorbachav5 5,875]

15 hours ago, PetrSykora said:

Ehh, first round matchups don't look all that intriguing on the surface. Dallas vs. Calgary is most likely going to be the annual first round gongshow series. Boston vs. Carolina should be good too I guess. I'd say the same for New York vs. Washington but I'm already picturing Islander players getting sent to the hospital after receiving leaping elbows to the head and being unable to rejoin the team in time for a critical game because of quarantine requirements. 

They really aren't that compelling, at least not any more than hockey playoffs normally are.  For anyone who is against the way they've been doing playoffs the last several years (intra-division first, then conference finals), this is evidence for why that system works.  You naturally have more rivalries with teams you share a division with, and these matchups are missing that.  Washington and the Islanders should be good for the Barry Trotz connection, Boston - Carolina is a rematch of last year, and I guess Vegas and Chicago might be interesting if Vegas lets Chicago into a couple games.  Otherwise, though, there's not much there. 

Of course, you never know with hockey, so hopefully a couple of these series will become classics.

[Jasoaks 2,020]

theres a few ex-ducks on the Stars! Cogs, Perry....and Khudobin....forgot about him! Really liked him when he played with us.

[PetrSykora 12,654]

I was legitimately just wondering how they would handle a marathon OT game under the circumstances like 3 hours ago and Tampa Bay vs. Columbus is still on. Nice one. 

J.S. Korpisalo is about to set a playoff saves record and Seth Jones has skated almost an entire regulation hockey game in minutes. I wanna see them go far.

[Fisix 1,635]

if they shift one of the games to NBC ( a free channel), let me know?

[BombaysTripleDeke 1,549]

It'll be crushing if CBJ loses given the games that Seth Jones and Korpisalo have played today/tonight.

[PetrSykora 12,654]

Last time I checked, Tampa had 180+ shot attempts. John Gibson calls that an average Wednesday night of work in Anaheim 

[Fisix 1,635]

30 minutes ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

It'll be crushing if CBJ loses given the games that Seth Jones and Korpisalo have played today/tonight.

boom!

[Jasoaks 2,020]

Sad to see Columbus lose after a game some of their players showed...especially Korpi...but they were also really just hanging on for most of that...Tampa was controlling most of it.

Curious to see how they came out for Game 2! Crazy they just straight up postponed the other game for tomorrow morning lol

[PetrSykora 12,654]

1 hour ago, Jasoaks said:

Sad to see Columbus lose after a game some of their players showed...especially Korpi...but they were also really just hanging on for most of that...Tampa was controlling most of it.

Curious to see how they came out for Game 2! Crazy they just straight up postponed the other game for tomorrow morning lol

Imagine being on Boston or Carolina right now. Hockey players love going through their pre-game routines and now they gotta be ready for 11 in the morning after all the preparation they did for tonight. I mean they're professionals so it's probably not a big deal to them but I'd be so annoyed. It is pretty neat how fluid the schedule is now though. Adds another wrinkle teams might have to prepare for. Vancouver and Dallas are still here so I'm looking forward to seeing how late/early in the morning a game can end in the bubble. 

[BombaysTripleDeke 1,549]

The Theodore wound continues to reopen these playoffs

[gorbachav5 5,875]

1 hour ago, BombaysTripleDeke said:

The Theodore wound continues to reopen these playoffs

Yeah, that was such a huge loss for the Ducks.  Should we blame Murray's mismanagement of the expansion draft or his inexplicable love of past-their-prime, pylon defensemen (Bieksa)?

Either way, watching Theodore hurts way more than Karlsson.  Theodore turned out to be the player we all hoped Fowler would be.

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6 hours ago, gorbachav5 said:

Yeah, that was such a huge loss for the Ducks.  Should we blame Murray's mismanagement of the expansion draft or his inexplicable love of past-their-prime, pylon defensemen (Bieksa)?

Either way, watching Theodore hurts way more than Karlsson.  Theodore turned out to be the player we all hoped Fowler would be.

Agreed. I blame Murray for his mismanagement on far more things other than Theodore. Theo is just the most glaring example. I just don't know how many times Murray has to screw up or be wrong before management realizes he isn't the right GM.

[Jasoaks 2,020]

8 hours ago, gorbachav5 said:

Yeah, that was such a huge loss for the Ducks.  Should we blame Murray's mismanagement of the expansion draft or his inexplicable love of past-their-prime, pylon defensemen (Bieksa)?

Either way, watching Theodore hurts way more than Karlsson.  Theodore turned out to be the player we all hoped Fowler would be.

I'd say neither. Theo just had a playoffs were he showed good signs but was getting pushed off the puck too often and had bad turnovers (see: he easily got pushed off the puck in that game against the Hawks which led directly to a shorthanded goal). And Manson was showing greater signs...his next season he posted one of the highest +/- in the league.

We also were just done with a playoff run that got us a couple wins away from the Finals that was easily from just how injured we got/a terrible back-up goalie. ie we were in a win sooner than later mood. And we had Fowler who was instrumental in that run, especially that epic game against Edmonton. And, if I remember correctly Beiksa was brought on as a request from Kesler, far and away our most consistent and best forward.

I don't blame Murray for a second for what happened with the expansion draft. And there's absolutely no way to be able to say Theo would be this brilliant defenseman if he stayed with us. He was given a better opportunity in Vegas.