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  1. Murray should be fired into the sun if he did that, and I’m not one of the ultra hate Murray people either.
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    2021 - Final 4

    Good thing Habs won. That was a disgusting no call on Perry in OT. These refs should be banned from reffing anymore playoff games. Glad Vegas and their trash fanbase got what they deserved.
  3. He’s getting traded this summer so it’s buyer beware. That’s why people here are being negative about it. Even the best case scenario for the Ducks has its disadvantages. Let’s assume he’s healthy and puts up 90 points every season for the last 5 years of his contract (he’s never done this). That will be good enough with this roster to either just miss the playoffs or make them and get eliminated in the 1st few rounds. Now you have to find someway to get significantly better drafting further down in each round than you would without him, and you just traded significant players/assets to acquire him. That’s not easy. If I could look into the future and see that Eichel would stay healthy for 5 years and put up top 10 production I’d easily part with #3 and a few pieces for him. But I can’t, so there’s no way I trade the #3 overall for him right now. I’d be willing to take on the risk for Eichel for #34 overall and some pieces being tossed about here. If Buffalo wants 2022 1st, then I’d do that except cut the quality of pieces down significantly. Eichel has to be considered damaged goods right now, and damaged goods should get a very serious discount. #3 overall even in a draft like this should be off the table.
  4. There’s concerns about his ceiling. He’s one of the safest prospects in terms of getting a guy who you can pencil into your lineup, but there’s a chance he won’t be more than a #3 center. You don’t want to draft a #3 center with a top 5 pick if there’s another forward out there with a decent chance to be a top 6 player, and the rankings that have him lower are higher on other forwards.
  5. McKenzie’s list isn’t the final version yet, so we’ll see what that looks like soon. It’s interesting Button came out with that mock draft tonight. I hadn’t seen that until you mentioned it. Murray did have this to say about the draft in his state of the franchise press conference which you can read on the main site: “There are a couple of good young forwards in there.” Beniers is almost certainly one in his mind, but who is the other? Maybe we’ll find that out if we draft him in July. The fact that Murray mentioned that before the lottery is a good sign. If it’s close on his board between the players available at defense and offense at #3 then I hope we go forward. I’m starting to not even mind if we miss out on Beniers and pick another forward. I think the best thing about him is the fact that he’s pretty much a guarantee to play center at the NHL level. If you look at what he’s actually done at all levels of competition though, he’s never dominated the scoresheet. Even in the USHL he never put up more than a point-per-game. At international level, he never put up big numbers either. It seems like a few of the other forwards have a much higher offensive ceiling, but have more risk. If Beniers was available at #3 I’d be happy with the pick, but I’d still be a little concerned he might end up being a disappointment offensively, and one of those other forwards available end up being the best player in the draft.
  6. He seems interesting to me. I just posted this elsewhere on the board, but I’ll put it here too: I’m interested to see TSN’s McKenzie final list. I like that it’s built around consensus from NHL scouts. They had Dylan Guenther at #2 in April before the last big tournament of the year (U18 WJC). In that tournament he put up 7 pts in 7 games with 4 goals. His 1st year in the WHL he put up 59 pts in 58 games, and now in his draft year he went 12-12=24 in 12 games. He was on pace for over 100 points in a full season. Guys who do that pretty much are always selected #1 or #2 in the draft if there’s no random concern, injury or otherwise.
  7. I’m interested to see TSN’s McKenzie final list. I like that it’s built around consensus from NHL scouts. They had Dylan Guenther at #2 in April before the last big tournament of the year (U18 WJC). In that tournament he put up 7 pts in 7 games with 4 goals. His 1st year in the WHL he put up 59 pts in 58 games, and now in his draft year he went 12-12=24 in 12 games. He was on pace for over 100 points in a full season. Guys who do that pretty much are always selected #1 or #2 in the draft if there’s no random concern, injury or otherwise.
  8. This draft is so blah I barely care that we moved from #2 to #3. The only player I’m somewhat confident in that has a decent floor is Beniers, and even he might just turn out to be a good defensively responsible 3C that puts up 15-20G and 40-45 pts a year. I’m assuming he’ll go #1 or #2. Who knows how it turns out, but at least right now I hope Power doesn’t “fall” to us. If he doesn’t develop an offensive game at the NHL level he’ll be a huge bust for such a high pick. He’ll basically be Erik Gudbranson (#3 overall in his draft year). I hope we get lucky with whoever we pick, and we actually end up getting a “surprise” hugely impactful player when none were really supposed to be available.
  9. If there was a clear top 2 like a lot of years this would suck, but it doesn’t even matter this year.
  10. This is just a replacement for McNabb who retired. He seems to be tasked with all the roles McNabb did. It seems like a lateral move for him, but maybe also getting the assistant GM title was valuable to him. Perhaps he has eyes on becoming a GM someday and thinks this could help him.
  11. My point was about being able to afford to give up the assets it takes to get the player, not really about where the player is in his career. It becomes very hard to rebuild around Eichel when you give up so much of your farm/draft assets to acquire him. From now until the 2023 draft you better hope you get lucky in the later rounds of the draft or through trades, free agency, or what’s left of your system when it comes to acquiring talent, because if you don’t you won’t be challenging for the Cup until Eichel is in his late 20’s at the earliest. If you’re closer to one player away you already have the talent to surround Eichel with at the NHL level, so you can more easily afford to pay that prospect/draft capital price.
  12. The Kings definitely could outbid the Ducks simply because they have a better/deeper prospect pool to work with. That means giving up more than what you have the Ducks giving up in a bidding war though. However, the Ducks giving up what you are proposing is a huge gamble that I’m not sure I would do. Eichel’s health is one thing to be concerned about, but even with a healthy Eichel and Zegras down the middle I’m not sure the Ducks are 100% making the playoffs, and even if they do I don’t think they realistically are contenders. It’s possible in your deal the Ducks trade away a top 2 pick, a top 10 pick in a better draft if the Ducks still struggle a bit next year (injuries or otherwise), one of our best prospects, a decent roster player with upside, and a 2nd round pick with upside. That’s a lot of cheap organizational depth traded away, and 2 1st round picks gone, which makes it harder to reliably draft future NHL players that will be important to fill out the roster with talent. That trade could easily end up really hurting the Ducks down the line without making them true cup contenders now. I think that’s something you do when you’re already a playoff contender (Ducks getting Pronger) and need to get to the next level, or if you’re like the Kings and have so much prospect depth you could stand to lose all that and still have some decent pieces left over. In that Pronger deal the Ducks also gave up significantly less valuable 1st rounders since the team was already good.
  13. McNab has worked in the Ducks front office since day 1 of the franchise; fans should show him some respect. He’s apparently been our draft guru for a long time, and while we have lacked a bit in finding high impact talent drafting outside the top 10, we have done pretty well overall. We’ve certainly done well finding gems later in the draft over the years, and we’ve been a goalie factory. Hats off to McNab.
  14. If it comes down to prospects, the King’s can easily offer Turcotte, their 1st this year, and another player. The Sabres would probably be asking for Comtois, our 1st this year (top 4 at worst), and likely Perreault (17 points in 26 AHL games as an 18 year old). I don’t think the Ducks can afford to give up all that, and there’s a very decent chance that what we give up will be worth more than Eichel alone, especially when you factor in salaries/cap hit. If we could get him for Comtois, 2022 1st, and Benoit-Oliver Groulx (29 points in 39 games as a 21 year old AHL player), then I’d do that, but I doubt it would be enough. That 2022 pick with Zegras and Eichel down the middle and a healthy defense + Gibson wouldn’t even sniff a top 5 pick next year.
  15. I was just talking about locking up the 2nd position going into the lottery and the better odds that come with it.
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