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1 minute ago, gotchabari said:

The Coyotes drafted Mitch Miller.

I bet that guy has a great...

... swing

And loves' "sing alongs"...

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6 minutes ago, gotchabari said:

The Coyotes drafted Mitch Miller.

I bet that guy has a great...

... swing

I heard he had some issues, but what actually happened, I couldn’t find anything at a cursory glance 

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2 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

How? By disagreeing with a pick? We all say the exact same thing about every aspect of hockey, it’s literally being a fan. Every time a GM makes a trade, we sit around and go “yes that’s great” or “mmm I dont like that move”

I just say, wow we took Moore when these guys are available and when a rival takes a guy I was high on I voice that a rival took a guy I was high on. 
what’s the point of watching of sitting around in a board just going “well Murray is smarter than me” to every single decision. I could very well be very wrong about every choice I would have made, but Foudy can also be a 50 pt guy and Moore never sees the NHL. That’s all part of the discussion. 
It’s a board and I’m reacting to things in the moment, I’m not going to write up a detailed thesis in every pick, so naturally my reaction is “Moore over this giy? Really??” 

But how much do you really know about Moore?    If you go to HockeyDB.com and compare the drafts of teams, the Ducks have historically done quite well.  Even the later rounds with Manson, Kase, Belesky, Terry, Vantanen and other all taken Rounds 4-7. 

What makes you know for sure that these picks are good or bad?  IT's fun to read up on these guys before the draft and like some more than others. I get that. But I read after Poirier was picked today that he's just horrid on the defensive end.  So why was he listed at #33 on TV last night and then go #72?

TB didn't know Point would be this good.  If they did, he wouldn't have lasted so long.  So much of these drafts is trying to project how well these guys will continue to grow into their bodies. So maybe they see something in Moore that they saw in Manson when he was picked.  Just an educated guess based on his size.

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12 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I heard he had some issues, but what actually happened, I couldn’t find anything at a cursory glance 

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47 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I’m genuinely sorry if I come off that way. I don’t mean we’re idiots for not drafting prospect A or B, I mean it more as, damn I really wanted that guy and the guy we took was less than desirable. 
I suppose my frustration is watching the King’s masterfully navigate their rebuild and watch us barely putting together a core and still not taking chances. 
Imo, I don’t care that a guy slips to the 3rd round, eventually you gotta take the guy, and the difference could be someone like Brayden Point. 

That's totally true, and I'm not super confident in our front office either.  They've had a decent track record (not bad, but not great) of finding guys in the later rounds, but they've failed in a lot of other ways lately, and it makes it tough to put blind faith in the processes.

I do appreciate your input; I just wanted to make the point that when it comes to the draft, it seems a bit much to get worked up over passing on a guy in the third round.  Hopefully Ian Moore becomes the next, I don't know, Colton Parayko.  

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RUSKIE!!!

KHL Rookie of the Year after being bypassed in previous drafts.  Already 21 YO, so could be a shot in the dark for the big club, or low risk for the smaller clubs.

Hockey Writers called him late 4th round with outside shot at 3rd, so taking the 5th seems okay.

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27 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

But how much do you really know about Moore?    If you go to HockeyDB.com and compare the drafts of teams, the Ducks have historically done quite well.  Even the later rounds with Manson, Kase, Belesky, Terry, Vantanen and other all taken Rounds 4-7. 

What makes you know for sure that these picks are good or bad?  IT's fun to read up on these guys before the draft and like some more than others. I get that. But I read after Poirier was picked today that he's just horrid on the defensive end.  So why was he listed at #33 on TV last night and then go #72?

TB didn't know Point would be this good.  If they did, he wouldn't have lasted so long.  So much of these drafts is trying to project how well these guys will continue to grow into their bodies. So maybe they see something in Moore that they saw in Manson when he was picked.  Just an educated guess based on his size.

Moore skates really, really well

Plays great in transition

 Very aggressive 

He’s got decent size, but he doesn’t have the physicality of Manson, he’s much more offensive minded. 
 

I don’t hate Moore with the pick, I just like some guys available more as a need for the Ducks. I’m not going to scoff at a offensive RHD who skates well. 
 

TB clearly saw something to 1. Draft him 2. Give him opportunities. The idea is you want to be the team that gives a guy like a Foudy a chance. Look at his metrics, he’s a monster at driving offense and sending dangerous passes. He fell in the draft for 3 reason, 1. He’s small 2. Plays in a bad team 3. Doesn’t play great defense. Only one of those things is even an indication of his talent, that’s what frustrates me. 

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4 minutes ago, gotchabari said:

RUSKIE!!!

KHL Rookie of the Year after being bypassed in previous drafts.  Already 21 YO, so could be a shot in the dark for the big club, or low risk for the smaller clubs.

Hockey Writers called him late 4th round with outside shot at 3rd, so taking the 5th seems okay.

Murray taking a Russian is the biggest shocker of the draft.

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45 minutes ago, Spike1981 said:

 

Cant get rid of the above.

 

Now this is news. Ducks take a Russian player in draft. First one since Igor Bobkov in 2009. Artyon Galimov is already 21 but playing in KHL with Ak Bars Kazan. Left wing has three goals, four assists in 12 games so far this season.

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8 minutes ago, gotchabari said:

RUSKIE!!!

KHL Rookie of the Year after being bypassed in previous drafts.  Already 21 YO, so could be a shot in the dark for the big club, or low risk for the smaller clubs.

Hockey Writers called him late 4th round with outside shot at 3rd, so taking the 5th seems okay.

Smart two-way guy who’s produced well in the KHL for his size and age. Surprised we took a Russian, but he could be a pretty sneaky good pick for us. 

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3 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

Moore skates really, really well

Plays great in transition

 Very aggressive 

He’s got decent size, but he doesn’t have the physicality of Manson, he’s much more offensive minded. 
 

I don’t hate Moore with the pick, I just like some guys available more as a need for the Ducks. I’m not going to scoff at a offensive RHD who skates well. 
 

TB clearly saw something to 1. Draft him 2. Give him opportunities. The idea is you want to be the team that gives a guy like a Foudy a chance. Look at his metrics, he’s a monster at driving offense and sending dangerous passes. He fell in the draft for 3 reason, 1. He’s small 2. Plays in a bad team 3. Doesn’t play great defense. Only one of those things is even an indication of his talent, that’s what frustrates me. 

He doesn't have it now.  Maybe he grows into it?   I don't know. Just spit balling as to why.

The two way game is much more valued by the scouts and GMs than you are giving it 🙂. And the Ducks love it, that's for sure.

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A full 103 days after it was supposed to take place, the first round of the 2020 NHL Draft is in the books.

It looked different. The Bell Centre floor wasn’t crowded with team staff. Its lower bowl seats weren’t filled with media, prospects, and their families. Nobody walked across that stage. But 31 names were still called.

As always at The Athletic, I’ve broken down all 31 of those selections, offering pick-by-pick analysis of the first round. After years of live and video viewings, conversations with sources, and reporting on these players, this marks the start of my two-day evaluation of every team’s performance at this year’s draft.

This analysis does not evaluate any of the trades, nor the teams that didn’t pick. Instead, it will rank each of the teams that did pick based solely on their choices relative to my draft board, considering factors like organizational fit, the available players, and each prospect’s expected range.

This is also not an evaluation of the total value the teams got out of their pick(s) but rather of the relative value they mined compared to where they picked. As such, teams with higher picks, or multiple first-round picks, aren’t guaranteed favourable grades.

Here, the ranking will also be sorted into the following tiers:

• Winners: Teams I believe won out over their competition with sleuth, home-run-level selections relative to where they picked.

• Overtime winners: Teams I believe did well with where they were slotted, even if they might not have picked the exact player(s) I would have.

• Overtime losers: Teams I believe could have done better but might, in time, be happy with their pick(s) regardless.

• Losers: Teams I believe will regret taking the player(s) they took.

For more insight into how I do my job and each of these players, check out my guide to scouting and my final top 100 ranking.


Winners

1. Minnesota Wild

Pick: 9. Marco Rossi
My ranking: No. 3 (change: -6)

If you’ve followed my draft coverage over the last couple of years, this ranking should come as no surprise to you. Rossi is ready to play in the NHL, he’s a centre, he’s the most well-rounded forward in the draft (maybe even including Lafreniere), he’s the best defensive forward in the draft, and he’s one of the most driven kids I’ve ever dealt with in seven years covering the draft. When he’s got the puck on his stick, he makes it nearly impossible for opposing defenders to take it off of him. When he doesn’t have the puck on his stick, he’s as gifted as any player in the draft at lifting it off the other guys and then making a play. And while I don’t think he’ll put up the counting stats offensively that players like Raymond and Perfetti do, his impact on the game could be higher on the whole.

2. Winnipeg Jets

Pick: 10. Cole Perfetti 
My ranking: No. 4 (change: -6)

I mean… this is what a home run looks like. It can’t really be overstated, either. Perfetti reads the play better than any prospect in the draft, he’s got point-per-game first-line upside, he’s closer to the NHL than I think just about anyone gives him credit for (ie. Maybe even this season!). I’m also jealous of Murat Ates, who now gets to cover the most articulate and well-spoken prospect I’ve ever interacted with. His only barrier is his strength. The rest (the processing power, the hands, the playmaking, the finishing) grades out at or near the top of his classmates across the board. Perfetti has future all-star and captain written all over him. He’s special and will, I’m confident, go down as one of the best value picks of the draft in five, 10, and 15 years time.

3. Florida Panthers

Pick: 12. Anton Lundell 
My ranking: No. 9 (change: -3)

Lundell always felt like he was the one top forward prospect in this draft who was most likely to fall a little. That’s because his game doesn’t have the same flair, or pop, or speed as the other top prospect in the draft. He doesn’t look dynamic at all times. But I think the idea that he’s more of a middle-six piece than a first-line one has always sold the entirety of his game short. Lundell is an excellent, often-surprising passer, he makes plays in all three zones, and his shot has become a real asset that his coaches rave about. But he’s also one of the better defensive players in the draft, one of the stronger puck-possession cycle players in the draft, and an assistant captain at the professional level as a teenager.

4. Los Angeles Kings

Pick: 2. Quinton Byfield
My ranking: No. 2 (change: none)

The Kings got this right. And by all accounts, there was real consideration given to going another direction with their pick, so credit to them for taking the player who I’ve had all year locked in to No. 2 on my board. You can count on one hand the number forwards his size in the NHL who are top-three players on their teams. Evgeni Malkin. Mikko Rantanen. Eric Staal in his prime. Blake Wheeler. It’s a small list. And Byfield has the tools to join them. Once he added A-level skating to his frame (or close to it), he took a game that already blended power and finesse to the next level. I believe concerns over his projection and NHL readiness were overstated over the course of the last two years. When faceoffs, or defensive detail, or a hunched stride are your worries, you really don’t have a lot to worry about. He’ll sort those things out and the big skills are big.

5. Calgary Flames

Pick: 24. Connor Zary
My ranking: No. 13 (change: -11)

Zary’s fabulous. He’s a wonderful, confident, engaging kid off the ice who knows who he is and what kind of player he wants to be. There’s a confidence to him on the ice that matches that, too. He fell because teams were worried about his pace and his ability to become a primary carrier at the next level, rather than a complementary offensive piece. I think the concerns about his skating have been overstated. He gets from A to B by always keeping his feet moving and hunting pucks. And with the puck, I love his ability to effectively drive a line without always needing to carry it. He can play the give and go game and dive into space. He can push pace in other ways, with a quick cut, or a leading pass. And he’s got a versatile shot that can release from a variety of spots on his body to score from around the slot. Zary at No. 24 is one of the better value picks of the first round for me and I love that they traded back and still got their guy. That’s a tidy bit of work.

6. Dallas Stars

Pick: 30. Mavrik Bourque
My ranking: No. 16 (change: -14)

Bourque is one of those kids who was poised to fall, maybe by no fault of his own, due to outside circumstances. He plays in the QMJHL, a league I still maintain is underrepresented at the draft. He’s on the smaller side. He played his draft year on a Shawinigan team where his playmaking style wasn’t surrounded by suitable finishers. But the talent is undeniable. Bourque is the kind of player who can lead a line up the ice hanging onto the puck or deftly play the give-and-go game through quick, aggressive choices to the earliest available play. He’s also an impressive off-puck defender for his age, routinely fighting off checks from bigger players or lifting back possession with a smart stick. The Stars got mid-round talent with a late-round pick. That should always be the recipe.

7. Anaheim Ducks

Pick: 6. Jamie Drysdale
My ranking: No. 8 (change: +2)

Pick: 27. Jacob Perreault
My ranking: No. 25 (change: -2)

The top-ranked defenceman on my board all year long, Drysdale was a defendable pick as soon as Lafreniere and Byfield were off the board. His edges and backwards skating are the best in the draft, with a stride that floats across the ice and looks effortless in all four directions. But there are layers to his game as well. His head is always up, he can picks teams apart with a pass when there isn’t room to skate into, he plays an extremely low-risk game considering his talent, and he can run a power play despite lacking a major shot threat. When he attacks, he’s rarely out of the play if a turnover does happen. I think Rossi and Perfetti are better prospects, and there’s a case for Alexander Holtz as a better fit (given the potential mixture with Trevor Zegras), but those all feel like nitpicking here.

And the irony in the Ducks passing on the Holtz-Zegras fit at No. 6 is that they picked the next prospect most likely to excel with a player like Zegras in Perreault, one of the five best shooters in the draft and a player who can score from anywhere in the offensive zone, or create chances out of dead plays. Perrault’s going to have clean up his consistency and attention to detail away from the puck to get the most out of his talent, but his puck skill and finishing ability are already NHL quality. The rest should come. All told, the Ducks addressed two clear needs without reaching on either of them. That’s a good outcome for any team.

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2 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

He doesn't have it now.  Maybe he grows into it?   I don't know. Just spit balling as to why.

The two way game is much more valued by the scouts and GMs than you are giving it 🙂. And the Ducks love it, that's for sure.

Yeah, I wish the Ducks would love it a little less...but the Perrault pick was encouraging.

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7 minutes ago, JiggyToTheCup said:

He doesn't have it now.  Maybe he grows into it?   I don't know. Just spit balling as to why.

The two way game is much more valued by the scouts and GMs than you are giving it 🙂. And the Ducks love it, that's for sure.

Moore isn’t really two-way currently he’s much more offensive minded. He can learn anything. One moment can change these kids for better or worse, a new coach, an injury anything really. Two way players are great to have, but the Ducks are comprised of too many of these guys imo. We need dynamic offensive players and guys like Foudy are what we need. 

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Just now, Sexlaf15 said:

Moore isn’t really two-way currently he’s much more offensive minded. He can learn anything. One moment can change these kids for better or worse, a new coach, an injury anything really. Two way players are great to have, but the Ducks are comprised of two many of these guys imo. We need dynamic offensive players and guys like Foudy are what we need. 

I agree we go for too many of that type.  The Perrault pick was that upside pick you were looking for.  I'm still kind of stunned we got that pick for a guy that gets hurt a lot.  And I loved Kase before he got hurt.  Colangelo looks like a really good pick also at 36.   And maybe that's why they took Drysdale first.  Cuz they knew two high potential players would be there.

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Losers

21. San Jose Sharks

Pick: 31. Ozzy Wiesblatt
My ranking: No. 52 (change: +21)

Wiesblatt’s a blend of old and new. He can play a hard, engaged style that complements high-end talent and makes him look bigger than he is. But he can also make high-skill plays, he’s not afraid to try things, and his o-zone skill developed aggressively last season. My lower ranking here is driven primarily by the fact that I’m not convinced that o-zone skill will translate up levels against bigger, faster, stronger, smarter defenders. Wiesblatt’s a good prospect and a wonderful kid, but he could end up as more of a role player if he doesn’t develop any one of his skills from B-level to A-level.

22. St. Louis Blues

Pick: 26. Jake Neighbours
My ranking: No. 51 (change: +25)

I like the way Jake Neighbours plays. He can do a little bit of everything. He comes at you in waves in an effort to push pace, attack, and win races. He’s physical off the puck. There’s just a versatility to his game that’s easy to appreciate and convinced many scouts that he didn’t have the top-six or bust that some first rounders often do. I settled a little lower on him than most, though, largely because I worry that his above-average skill across the board may not be enough to slot him in the top of your lineup. He could end up as a fan-favourite third-line contributor. And while that would be a good outcome for a 26th-overall selection, there were higher-skill players available. Several of them.

23. Colorado Avalanche

Pick: 25. Justin Barron
My ranking: No. 46 (change: +21)

Barron, once discussed in the same conversations as Jamie Drysdale, has been through a lot in the last year as he and his team have tried to get a blood clot issue under control. After undergoing a procedure a couple of weeks ago to correct it, he became a bit of a wild card in the draft. The worry is that he’s lost valuable development time, he’s a little on the older side, and he didn’t take the steps that came with some of the early hype about his potential. That kept him further down my board and meant he’s not a player I would have considered in the first round. There are a ton of tools to work with there, though, and the gamble the Avalanche are taking is on the maturity of his defensive game and an offensive game that, surely, they hope can take a step with more consistent reps. Barron’s a big, strong, Hockey Canada darling with four-way mobility for his size and a heady approach to moving the puck. Scouts praise his efficiency. I think there was more talent on the board, though.

24. Buffalo Sabres

Pick: 8. Jack Quinn
My ranking: No. 15 (change: +7)

Though I didn’t love the Senators taking Sanderson at No. 5, Quinn was the first real reach of the draft for me. And that has less to do with Quinn’s ability as a prospect (he’s a multi-faceted individual creator who’s game has detail and who’s frame lends itself to continue growth and potential yet-to-be-scratched level) than it does with who else was available. As good as Quinn is, and as exciting as his late-blooming development curve is, there just isn’t a case, for me, for him as a better prospect than a Perfetti or a Rossi. That Rossi was on Quinn’s team, and clearly the best player on that team, makes the pick a weird one for me.

25. Columbus Blue Jackets

Pick: 21. Yegor Chinakhov
My ranking: Not ranked (!)

I had the Blue Jackets last in my prospect pool rankings in February — despite being quite fond of some of their recent drafting — largely because some of my favourites (Emil Bemstrom and Alexandre Texier) had graduated. Despite a young core in Columbus, though, this draft, a year after trading the bulk of their picks, was a pivotal one for an organization that sorely needs to insulate Liam Foudy and Kirill Marchenko. Then they took Chinakhov, who wasn’t ranked inside my top-100, with the 21st-overall pick, and now here they are again, at the bottom of another one of my lists.

Chinakhov is a fine prospect who has made waves in recent weeks with his impressive play in the KHL, where he has looked consistently dangerous for Avangard Omsk. He torched the MHL last season, too. I like his ability to get to the slot and manufacture offence. He’s stronger than he looks. He has experience on both wings. But he’s also an overager who was passed up a year ago, I’m not convinced any of his tools are A-level, and he’s probably more of a complementary creator at the NHL level. That’s not the kind of player I’d be looking to target in the first two rounds. Though they moved back once to add a new pick at 78th overall, the Blue Jackets don’t pick again until 114th overall, and they probably felt he wasn’t going to stick around to either slot. I don’t think that means you have to use a first-round bullet on him though.


The Results

Below is a look at the entirety of the first-round results versus my ranking, including the plus-minus of each pick relative to my board (blue means the player fell to them by X slots, red means they reached on the player by Y slots), colour coding for the wins and losses, and markings indicating whether the selection was my best player available (BPA), in the conversation, or definitively not one of the players I would have considered.

Excluded altogether from this analysis are the six teams that didn’t have a first-round pick. They are: The Penguins, Canucks, Islanders, Coyotes, Lightning and Bruins.

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Just now, JiggyToTheCup said:

I agree we go for too many of that type.  The Perrault pick was that upside pick you were looking for.  I'm still kind of stunned we got that pick for a guy that gets hurt a lot.  And I loved Kase before he got hurt.  Colangelo looks like a really good pick also at 36.   And maybe that's why they took Drysdale first.  Cuz they knew two high potential players would be there.

I said it yesterday, but Perrault makes Drysdale at 6 so much better, being able to grab someone who has about as good of a shot as Holtz at 27 after taking your #1 D man is huge. Really great drafting. Colangelo seems very solid as well, solid build, goal scoring guy. I think he played with Zegras when they were younger as well.

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3 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I said it yesterday, but Perrault makes Drysdale at 6 so much better, being able to grab someone who has about as good of a shot as Holtz at 27 after taking your #1 D man is huge. Really great drafting. Colangelo seems very solid as well, solid build, goal scoring guy. I think he played with Zegras when they were younger as well.

Exactly! That's what I was realizing as I was reading mroe about it last night...even though I was down on not taking a forward at 6 at first.

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17 minutes ago, perry_mvp said:

And not taking a Swede 

Weird, but GMBM hasn't drafted a Swede since Lundestrom with the 23rd pick in 2018. That's 18 straight Tre Kronor-free picks. Wonder if he had some bad smorgasbord during one of his recent scouting trips.

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5 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

Weird, but GMBM hasn't drafted a Swede since Lundestrom with the 23rd pick in 2018. That's 18 straight Tre Kronor-free picks. Wonder if he had some bad smorgasbord during one of his recent scouting trips.

He had his sights set on this guy, but his scouts backed off him at the last minute.

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6'2....wow...tall. interesting draft......

I asked this earlier but no one responded, but I'll ask again 'cause I'm not sure what the rules are haha how soon are players you drafted able to be traded?

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