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23 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

wow...how is Beniers dropping to 5th in these rankings???? I cannot imagine if he's available at #3 we pass on him.

I think it’s some typical main stream galaxy brainining that seems to happen every year. As the draft gets closer everyone starts over thinking what teams are going to do. I think the top 2 are going to be pretty locked, but who knows. I think Beniers is probably the best prospect in the draft and I won’t complain if he falls to us. 

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There’s concerns about his ceiling. He’s one of the safest prospects in terms of getting a guy who you can pencil into your lineup, but there’s a chance he won’t be more than a #3 center. You don’t want to draft a #3 center with a top 5 pick if there’s another forward out there with a decent chance to be a top 6 player, and the rankings that have him lower are higher on other forwards. 

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So I guess Berniers got hurt at the World’s. Which might explain him falling. I guess it was an ankle injury. 

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2 hours ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I think it’s some typical main stream galaxy brainining that seems to happen every year. As the draft gets closer everyone starts over thinking what teams are going to do. I think the top 2 are going to be pretty locked, but who knows. I think Beniers is probably the best prospect in the draft and I won’t complain if he falls to us. 

Exactly that. Look at how far Zegras dropped. The “experts” and their opinions run wild this time of year. 

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On 6/16/2021 at 7:28 PM, yeaitsme said:

Exactly that. Look at how far Zegras dropped. The “experts” and their opinions run wild this time of year. 

Perry and Getz both also dropped....sounded like "experts" were worried about how reckless they were driving to the net and also not being great skaters lol

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I don’t know what sources you guys use, but I tend to like this guys videos. Figured I’d share the videos he’s done on guys that we might take. 

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Given the trajectory of this draft class and if we keep our pick, I'd like for us to choose the player with the highest ceiling who might take longer to develop. Seems like all the guys from this class won't play in the nhl this next season anyway. And if we're not going to contend, why not take the guy who's going to be ready in say 2-3 years when we'll actually be making the push towards contention. I don't know the players specifically but I'm just saying we should go in that direction. Maybe even move down to get more picks? 

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6 hours ago, g20topdogg said:

Given the trajectory of this draft class and if we keep our pick, I'd like for us to choose the player with the highest ceiling who might take longer to develop. Seems like all the guys from this class won't play in the nhl this next season anyway. And if we're not going to contend, why not take the guy who's going to be ready in say 2-3 years when we'll actually be making the push towards contention. I don't know the players specifically but I'm just saying we should go in that direction. Maybe even move down to get more picks? 

Personally I think Eklund and Hughes would be it. I think Eklund might not be a super star, but the dude is smart and can do it all. Hughes seems to be the most dynamic defensemen, although I’m not sure what his injury might do. I’m not very high on Clarke or Edvinsson, but who knows. If you’re looking for projects. I think Hughes might be it, youngest guy I think in the top 10. He’s super raw, but the talent is there and I could be sold on a Hughes - Drysdale pairing in the future lol. 

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On 6/16/2021 at 8:52 PM, Jasoaks said:

wow...how is Beniers dropping to 5th in these rankings???? I cannot imagine if he's available at #3 we pass on him.

Looks Like Fate is guiding our Ducks to Beniers....btw he is one of the candiates besides mctavish I have on my list.

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On 7/2/2021 at 6:01 PM, g20topdogg said:

Given the trajectory of this draft class and if we keep our pick, I'd like for us to choose the player with the highest ceiling who might take longer to develop. Seems like all the guys from this class won't play in the nhl this next season anyway. And if we're not going to contend, why not take the guy who's going to be ready in say 2-3 years when we'll actually be making the push towards contention. I don't know the players specifically but I'm just saying we should go in that direction. Maybe even move down to get more picks? 

From a pure drafting perspective, you're right on.  The problem I see with this strategy is that for this to work, the organization has significant work to do after the draft in developing a player like this.  The Ducks have not been great at developing prospects under Murray.  I would worry that a high ceiling guy in the Ducks organization doesn't get the development he needs to reach that ceiling, making him worth relatively less.

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20 hours ago, gorbachav5 said:

From a pure drafting perspective, you're right on.  The problem I see with this strategy is that for this to work, the organization has significant work to do after the draft in developing a player like this.  The Ducks have not been great at developing prospects under Murray.  I would worry that a high ceiling guy in the Ducks organization doesn't get the development he needs to reach that ceiling, making him worth relatively less.

Outside of Z and Drysdale I don’t think we’ve even drafted a high ceiling guy to develop.  Always drafted high floor, low ceiling guys like Lundestrom, Jones, Ritchie. Maybe that’s because we weren’t drafting very high, but it’s hard to evaluate how the organization develops blue chip guys, when we’ve barely had any. 

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1 hour ago, Sexlaf15 said:

Outside of Z and Drysdale I don’t think we’ve even drafted a high ceiling guy to develop.  Always drafted high floor, low ceiling guys like Lundestrom, Jones, Ritchie. Maybe that’s because we weren’t drafting very high, but it’s hard to evaluate how the organization develops blue chip guys, when we’ve barely had any. 

Even though he was drafted in the late 1st, Shea Theodore had a pretty high ceiling that was apparent even as a draft+1 prospect with the Thunderbirds. But according to Bieksa on his podcast, Theo had lost his confidence by the time he was traded to Vegas, so I would argue the Ducks botched his development a bit, especially given what we've seen him turn into with VGK. There's also GMBM's admission that he rushed Fowler's development. That's two guys with really high ceilings that the organization didn't do a great job of developing, so I share Gorb's concern. This organization does not have a great track record for developing high end talent. And it has almost no track record to brag about for developing forwards. Outside of Rakell (drafted in 2011), they haven't really developed a top-6 forward from their own draft stock the entire time Bob has been the GM. Hopefully Comtois and Zegras change that.

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3 hours ago, dtsdlaw said:

Even though he was drafted in the late 1st, Shea Theodore had a pretty high ceiling that was apparent even as a draft+1 prospect with the Thunderbirds. But according to Bieksa on his podcast, Theo had lost his confidence by the time he was traded to Vegas, so I would argue the Ducks botched his development a bit, especially given what we've seen him turn into with VGK. There's also GMBM's admission that he rushed Fowler's development. That's two guys with really high ceilings that the organization didn't do a great job of developing, so I share Gorb's concern. This organization does not have a great track record for developing high end talent. And it has almost no track record to brag about for developing forwards. Outside of Rakell (drafted in 2011), they haven't really developed a top-6 forward from their own draft stock the entire time Bob has been the GM. Hopefully Comtois and Zegras change that.

Palmieri would be the only one.  And, from what we've been told by people with authority in the organization, he was too 'spensive.

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15 minutes ago, tommer-1 said:

Palmieri would be the only one.  And, from what we've been told by people with authority in the organization, he was too 'spensive.

He also never scored more than 14 goals in a Ducks sweater because he was buried in a 3rd line role until he was traded. 

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it's definitely a conundrum.  you would have thought BB would have fostered the kind of team environment that could develop kids properly, but maybe his marching orders were to focus on the vets to get a cup run together, so he didn't really have the kind of freedom to do so.  or, maybe rookie development really isn't his forte.  

with the cap limit set the way it is, i guess it makes sense that teams are going to have to focus more on player development (relative to any historical perspective of the NHL) if they can't convince veterans to take pay cuts to join the team in droves and work towards a deep playoff run.  California teams probably are worst, positionally, to do that.  we have good weather, but one of the worst tax burdens, and not a lot other intangibles to bring others down here.  Teemu's presence can only do so much.

Eakins gave the Ducks rookies tons of NHL playing time, and that's at least one ingredient of what they need to develop - that's one thing that Theo got that we weren't giving him (making him go up and down so often).  We definitely saw individual progress this past season, just not team progress, not yet.  other teams play games with injury time for their vets to give rookies consistent play time (and rest their vets).  i think it requires a strategy, and up until this past season, i don't think we really had one that involved team AND player development, not in a meaningful way.

i guess we'll see whether they have a strategy in place once we see who comes out of spring training and what the assistants do the first 4 months of games.  i'm hoping we'll look puck and stick and pass skillful and fast... but i don't think there's much hope we'll look like we can stand up physically to a team like Tampa who can play and hit pretty much with impunity.  we'll see.  we have guys on the team who can play rough, but only a very few who have any kind of reliable durability to do so.

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I think they’re over correcting with Z, white glove treatment. But I find it weird that they just threw Drysdale to the wolves, made him play on his off side, and with awful partners. So I think I’m wrong. Just get BM outta here. 

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15 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I think they’re over correcting with Z, white glove treatment. But I find it weird that they just threw Drysdale to the wolves, made him play on his off side, and with awful partners. So I think I’m wrong. Just get BM outta here. 

We all want Stubborn Bob to be removed....Just hope he does not screw it up AGAIN.

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Bob McKenzie's final rankings: 1. Power   2. Beniers   3. Edvinsson   T4. Eklund   T4. McTavish   6. Guenther   7. Clarke   8. Hughes   9. Johnson   10. Lucius  

https://www.tsn.ca/owen-power-pulls-away-from-crowded-nhl-draft-field-1.1669730

 

Elite Prospects final rankings: 1. Beniers   2. Eklund   3. Power.   4. Clarke   5. McTavish   6. Wallstedt   7. Guenther   8. Edvinsson   9. Lysell   10. Johnson

https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2021/eliteprospects.com

 

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It seems like Power and Beniers seem to be fairly consistent at 1 and 2 with the next seven skaters being fairly interchangeable. 

Scott Wheeler at the Athletic has it: 1. Power 2. Johnson 3. Clarke 4. Beniers 5. Eklund 6. Guenther 7. Hughes 8. Lucius 9. Sillinger 10. McTavish

Corey Pronman has it: 1. Power 2. Guenther (who he consistently mocks to the Ducks) 3. Eklund 4. Hughes 5. Beniers 6. Johnson 7. Lucius 8. Clarke 9. McTavish 10. Cossa (G)

It seems neither of The Athletic guys like Edvinsson very much, although others (like McKenzie) seem very high on him.

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5 minutes ago, dtsdlaw said:

Bob McKenzie's final rankings: 1. Power   2. Beniers   3. Edvinsson   T4. Eklund   T4. McTavish   6. Guenther   7. Clarke   8. Hughes   9. Johnson   10. Lucius  

https://www.tsn.ca/owen-power-pulls-away-from-crowded-nhl-draft-field-1.1669730

 

Elite Prospects final rankings: 1. Beniers   2. Eklund   3. Power.   4. Clarke   5. McTavish   6. Wallstedt   7. Guenther   8. Edvinsson   9. Lysell   10. Johnson

https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2021/eliteprospects.com

 

If I were the Ducks, and Power/Beniers were the first two picks, I would go for high-end offensive ability: Eklund, Hughes, Guenther.  I think Eklund will be available and I think they should pick him. 

I'd steer clear of Edvinsson or McTavish or Clarke. They are solid players, but not dynamic.

Just depends on what they want to draft.

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if he's available, and Power and Beniers aren't, then i'm not sure BM can pass on Edvinsson.

Eklund and some others have basically threatened to nope out of whoever takes them that's also a bottom feeder.  i think the Ducks have a shot at some of these players because we have Z and Drys, and that might be enough of a draw.  Buffalo... more of a question mark.

fraking Seattle can take whoever and that player will do their best to get on the team ASAP to try to get a ring in their rookie season, no matter what they've said going into the draft.  i mean, insert as many bad words as you can think of.  giving Seattle the 2nd and the ED rules... sheesh.

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28 minutes ago, gorbachav5 said:

It seems like Power and Beniers seem to be fairly consistent at 1 and 2 with the next seven skaters being fairly interchangeable. 

Scott Wheeler at the Athletic has it: 1. Power 2. Johnson 3. Clarke 4. Beniers 5. Eklund 6. Guenther 7. Hughes 8. Lucius 9. Sillinger 10. McTavish

Corey Pronman has it: 1. Power 2. Guenther (who he consistently mocks to the Ducks) 3. Eklund 4. Hughes 5. Beniers 6. Johnson 7. Lucius 8. Clarke 9. McTavish 10. Cossa (G)

It seems neither of The Athletic guys like Edvinsson very much, although others (like McKenzie) seem very high on him.

Eklund has established himself as a consensus top 5 pick. Taking the two rankings you posted, and the ones aggregated on elite prospects, 13/15 have him in the top 5. 9/15 have him top 4. I hope the Ducks go with him or Guenther should the top 2 go how everyone thinks. 

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Got the time to read McKenzie’s article. After reading it, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Seattle did something different than Beniers at #2. To make his list, he talks to 10 NHL head scouts, and of those scouts 6 of them had someone else at #2. In all, 5 players were ranked #2 by at least one scout. It really seems like the only consensus is Power at #1, and then there’s decent consensus on a few guys in the top 5, but not necessarily at #2.

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3 hours ago, gorbachav5 said:

It seems like Power and Beniers seem to be fairly consistent at 1 and 2 with the next seven skaters being fairly interchangeable. 

Scott Wheeler at the Athletic has it: 1. Power 2. Johnson 3. Clarke 4. Beniers 5. Eklund 6. Guenther 7. Hughes 8. Lucius 9. Sillinger 10. McTavish

Corey Pronman has it: 1. Power 2. Guenther (who he consistently mocks to the Ducks) 3. Eklund 4. Hughes 5. Beniers 6. Johnson 7. Lucius 8. Clarke 9. McTavish 10. Cossa (G)

It seems neither of The Athletic guys like Edvinsson very much, although others (like McKenzie) seem very high on him.

That's why I'm really hoping Power and Beniers go 1, 2. BM can't really make a bad pick after them and just about all of them are either committed to college or could use more time in their respective leagues. I personally like Eklund and Guenther. Eklund has been described as having the best hockey IQ in the draft and Guenther as the best winger in the draft. Can't go wrong with either of them. Then there is Hughes. The descriptions I read about him are a little similar to Fowler. Seeing some video of him reminds me of Drysdale. I would be totally happy with Eklund, Guenther or Hughes at third.

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If the Ducks keep #3, I’m all in on getting a center. Top-3 picks need to be franchise cornerstones and unless you have a Kane or Ovechkin at the top you’re pretty unlikely to alter the course of your franchise with a winger IMO. I want Beniers, but if he’s gone I’d take Mason McTavish. I love his size, snarl, and compete level. He’s got a good scoring touch too. He reminds me a bit of Kesler.

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we really need to figure out a way to keep tabs on who we like/don't like in the drafts, long enough to see who pans out or wallows around the AHL in 5 years.  the whole thing begs of statistical relations and analysis... there's just soooo much historical data, and then the magic sauce would be how to relate recent data to past year data (and how to interrelate different regime data).

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8 minutes ago, Sexlaf15 said:

I’m locking in my pick as William Eklund. I really hope Bob doesn’t pass on another great player because of size. 

Well it seems BM wants a forward...and I wouldn't exactly say Eklund is small...I mean, I'd be happy to get any of those top 8 (except maybe Clarke...)...but I'd prefer Eklund, Guenther, McTavish....or Beniers, Power of course lol

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31 minutes ago, Jasoaks said:

Well it seems BM wants a forward...and I wouldn't exactly say Eklund is small...I mean, I'd be happy to get any of those top 8 (except maybe Clarke...)...but I'd prefer Eklund, Guenther, McTavish....or Beniers, Power of course lol

Assuming Beniers/Power are gone of course 

Eklund 

Hughes

Guenther 

Clarke 

Edvinsson 

 

that’s roughly my order of preference 

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